Deity Existence

[Vasu]

1. it was made to be like that to respond to the pure stupidity of the question. you can't know where something that's always been there comes from. it's like asking "where did energy come from"? it's something that no one really knows now, especially not a 13 year old who's never gotten to study this stuff deeply.

Exactly, and asking me to explain how everything just came from "chance" when we don't have enough technology or power to explore what created the universe (or the singularity, if you will) is equally stupid.

and i didnt see the freewill issue in your post, sorry if it seemed as if i was ignoring it. upon reviewing your last post i still didnt see it... sorry to be nubbish, but could you point out what exactly you were speaking of?

Like Jik said, the theists will just claim that god created the god particle.




We do not know yet. And "goddidit" is NOT an answer.




This does not address my point. Let me rephrase.


God can do anything, and is also a good person, but does not stop us from doing evil because he would rather that we learn for ourselves, that what we are doing is bad. Cool?

But since god also knows everything, he will know that Mr. A is a good person at heart and will change, but Mr. B is a psychopath, and cannot fit into society. So why can't he stop Mr. B?




Yeah, go ahead and believe every frigging rumour you hear.




Like I said, the "figurative" bin is the ultimate cop-out for all bible enthusiasts. Who are you to say which part of the Bible is figurative? I can go ahead and say that Jesus didn't exist, and it was all figurative to show us that the cruel times of the OT were over.




That is not possible, remember?






It's different because the theory of the big bang was not reaches with intention of reaching the theory of the big bang. It was reached by scientific inquiry with the evidence we have at present, with no prior knowledge that such a thing could have happened. However the Bible was written with the full decision that god existed, and is therefore not scientific proof.





Yes, it would indeed be a miracle, if ours was the only solar system, the only planet, revolving around the only star. However there are millions of galaxies out there, and maybe even more universes (though there is no evidence of that, so I will not press it).

Like I said, if you see a closet with trillions of kinds of clothes of all sizes shapes and colours, you shouldn't be surprised to find one that fits.

2. i dont decide the doctrine on metaphores; i simply form my beliefs around what makes sense. and the Big Bang without some form of Deity, whether it be God or Brahma or Zeus or whatever, makes 0 sense.

And deity without some sort of creator for it too also makes no sense.

3. Perhaps he is talking to us, but we just arent listening at the right times.

Seeing as he knows everything, he could talk when he knows we're listening.

4. Weight is, once again, meaningless to God. size and weight arent a factor whatsoever. i.e. it wouldnt matter how big he made it, he could still lift it, because physical properties mean nothing.

So, in effect, god cannot make a stone so heavy/big that even he cannot lift it. Right?

And like Hrae said, I could form an example where physical size and stuff are not factors.

Can god create an equation so complex that even he cannot solve it?