Deity Existence

[Vasu]

1. Why is it not an answer? it's just as plausible as everything that never was miraculously exploding.

Because then you would have to explain how god miraculously came about.

and as for the "rumor" i've heard it through the news. not much of a rumor.

http://doc.cern.ch/yellowrep/2003/2003-001/p1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0806/0806.3414.pdf
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0627175348.htm

2. there is in fact proof that Jesus existed; the only thing that is questioned are his miracles. he's even taught about in history books in school.

Fine then, I'll say that Moses is figurative, Lot is figurative, Baal was figurative, and every character in the Bible for whom there is no proof was just figurative. That game can be played by two.

3. you never proved that it's impossible; i poked holes in your theories that made it possible.

What "holes" did you poke in the statement that omnipotence is impossible?

You just dropped the issue after a few posts, just like you did not bother backing up those assumptions I mentioned.


4. it wasnt like someone just chose to go out and start preaching a falsehood. There was most likely some form of evidence at the time.


Such as? And can you prove that religion was not started for political reasons? If you read "The Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, then you'll see how well religion can be used to make a platform for a strong kingdom.

5. i think it was more the fact that all these things came together absolutely perfectly, the stars, the planets, everything, in spite of being so complex.

And how complex would god need to be to do all this? This only creates another infinite regression.

How can nothingness explode? explain that to me. how can pure nothingness, no matter, dark matter, nothing, have heat, spontaneously combust, and form everything in the known universe? you saying that it was found because of scientific theory is even worse of a cop-out than anything you've accused me of, because your theory MUST follow the laws of physics.

Nothingness did not explode. A singularity exploded. How did that singularity come about?

Me: We do not know yet, but hopefully with more advances, we can begin to explore that in the future.

You: God did it.


And I can throw this question right back at you. How did god come about? How did absolute nothingness turn into an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and a whole lot of other omni's being?