Originally Posted by Vasu
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Because then you would have to explain how god miraculously came about.
http://doc.cern.ch/yellowrep/2003/2003-001/p1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0806/0806.3414.pdf
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0627175348.htm
Fine then, I'll say that Moses is figurative, Lot is figurative, Baal was figurative, and every character in the Bible for whom there is no proof was just figurative. That game can be played by two.
What "holes" did you poke in the statement that omnipotence is impossible?
You just dropped the issue after a few posts, just like you did not bother backing up those assumptions I mentioned.
4. it wasnt like someone just chose to go out and start preaching a falsehood. There was most likely some form of evidence at the time.
Such as? And can you prove that religion was not started for political reasons? If you read "The Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, then you'll see how well religion can be used to make a platform for a strong kingdom.
And how complex would god need to be to do all this? This only creates another infinite regression.
Nothingness did not explode. A singularity exploded. How did that singularity come about?
Me: We do not know yet, but hopefully with more advances, we can begin to explore that in the future.
You: God did it.
And I can throw this question right back at you. How did god come about? How did absolute nothingness turn into an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and a whole lot of other omni's being?
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1. Ask him, it's not like i've ever had a direct conversation with Him/Her in which i could ask where he/she came from. O_o
2. a. Moses DOES have a historical basis too.
b. Lot could be figurative for the inclination to take the easier path which leads to sin
c. Baal WAS figurative. the golden calf was meant to show God's strength, but at the time, God had put a ban on making an image of him.
3. Perhaps God himself talked to him? And you could claim that it was schizophrenia, but that's simple closed-mindedness.
4. *sigh* im tired of discussing this. God CAN be omnipotent AND omniscient at the same time,
IF HE'S ALSO ALL-KNOWING AND COMPLETELY WISE. you must understand that he has the POWER to change his decision, but he's all knowing and all good, so his path is completely good and completely right in the first place, so he wont.
Im heading to bed. be back around 6-7 PST.
EDIT: Lam, i dont know about the quoted person, i just thought the quote itself made sense. i found it while looking up that picture i used that was discussing the big bang vs. creationism. i personally think both theories are extremely weak without the other.
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