Deity Existence

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 08:16 AM

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

pigspark · 06-27-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

Well the new testament could be wrong. * not that im saying it is*

the Jews like people would say are one of the oldest religions and they say That the TRUE messiah would come so who knows where this would lead to.

**Vasu** · 06-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

He was a charismatic figure. There would be more people who believed that he had done them than those who didn't because of the way exaggerations add onto rumours like a rolling snowball. And to be fair, the Bible would've been written putting its best face on display.

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Vasu

He was a charismatic figure. There would be more people who believed that he had done them than those who didn't because of the way exaggerations add onto rumours like a rolling snowball. And to be fair, the Bible would've been written putting its best face on display.

And what would Jesus himself gain from this deciet? other than scourging, and being hung at the cross, which he DID forsee. True, if all went well he would be the most well known man in the world. but he wouldnt know that it would. and he wouldnt be able to experience it in life.

**Hraesvelg** · 06-27-2009, 04:34 PM

You do realize the New Testament was written well after the fact, correct? By members of the Christian sect? You don't think a little hero worship/cult of personality came into play? Just look at how the North Korean government speaks of Kim Jong Il.

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 04:43 PM

Acctually, the Gospel of Matthew is attributed to Matthew the Evangelist, one of Jesus's 12 Apostles. So it probably wasnt TOO Long after the fact. And please explain why a cult of personality would've come into play? oh, and also, please the dramatic turn in the Jewish Community between palm sunday to good friday?

**Ivramire** · 06-27-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

You do realize the New Testament was written well after the fact, correct? By members of the Christian sect? You don't think a little hero worship/cult of personality came into play? Just look at how the North Korean government speaks of Kim Jong Il.

Originally Posted by Jikanu

Acctually, the Gospel of Matthew is attributed to Matthew the Evangelist, one of Jesus's 12 Apostles. So it probably wasnt TOO Long after the fact. And please explain why a cult of personality would've come into play? oh, and also, please the dramatic turn in the Jewish Community between palm sunday to good friday?

You only address one book. The point is that the books were written by people who were in a position and time to embellish whatever accounts they gave. It'd be to their best interest to show things a particular way.

My theology-teacher in Primary-school (who was a Nun) told me that the Gospels were written years after the fact.

It's obvious...

What do you mean?

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Vasu

He probably sincerely believed in God himself.

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

Attributed by whom?

Originally Posted by Ivramire

You only address one book. The point is that the books were written by people who were in a position and time to embellish whatever accounts they gave. It'd be to their best interest to show things a particular way.

My theology-teacher in Primary-school (who was a Nun) told me that the Gospels were written years after the fact.

It's obvious...

What do you mean?

1. Ok, i looked into the other ones, and the gospel of John was also written by a direct disciple. I'm not entirely sure about the other two, but most archeologists find many of the events in the Gospel of Luke to be historically accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_th...s_an_historian

I guess to a certain degree there could be one. However, what im saying is that they wouldnt have been diciples in the first place without any proof. they were reasonable men.

I mean how they regarded him as a king and the Messiah on palm sunday and then suddenly condemned him and demanded that he be subjected to the brutalest torture imaginable?

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

Attributed by whom?

By the manuscript that was written, i suppose.

Originally Posted by Vasu

He probably sincerely believed in God himself.

And so he would lie and commit blasphemy? (assuming he wasn't truly the Messiah)

**Hraesvelg** · 06-27-2009, 04:55 PM

Attributed by whom?

**Vasu** · 06-27-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

And what would Jesus himself gain from this deciet? other than scourging, and being hung at the cross, which he DID forsee. True, if all went well he would be the most well known man in the world. but he wouldnt know that it would. and he wouldnt be able to experience it in life.

He probably sincerely believed in God himself.