Deity Existence

**Vasu** · 05-02-2009, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

I agree that alot of what the church did in the past was wrong. but what about the good things we've done, such as the works of Mother Theresa?

And you claim that nothingness exploded, which is also impossible. i'll explain mine when you explain yours.

Jesus, Jik, did you even read any of my last posts? Nothingness did NOT explode. A singularity exploded. SINGULARITY. I do not know how that singularity came about. You claim that god did it, and claim not to know where god came from, while attaching a lot of excess baggage such as benevolence, omniscience and omnipotence to that being when it isn't even necessary, and you also claim that he has been accurately portrayed in a book written thousands of years ago by people who had neither the technology nor the knowledge that we have today, to find out such things.

Then, you claim to have a firm, unshakeable belief in that being and that book, while eschewing parts of it, and following bits of it, and later claiming that any religion has the same chance to be right. Excuse me? If you are a Christian, then you believe that you are 100% right, that Jesus was the son of god, and you will be sent to hell, heaven or purgatory depending on how you lived your life. So if Christianity has a 100% chance, then so do the other religions? So do Invisible Pink Unicorns? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Islam? But they are incompatible, aren't they?

Jikanu · 05-02-2009, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Vasu

Jesus, Jik, did you even read any of my last posts? Nothingness did NOT explode. A singularity exploded. SINGULARITY. I do not know how that singularity came about. You claim that god did it, and claim not to know where god came from, while attaching a lot of excess baggage such as benevolence, omniscience and omnipotence to that being when it isn't even necessary, and you also claim that he has been accurately portrayed in a book written thousands of years ago by people who had neither the technology nor the knowledge that we have today, to find out such things.

Then, you claim to have a firm, unshakeable belief in that being and that book, while eschewing parts of it, and following bits of it, and later claiming that any religion has the same chance to be right. Excuse me? If you are a Christian, then you believe that you are 100% right, that Jesus was the son of god, and you will be sent to hell, heaven or purgatory depending on how you lived your life. So if Christianity has a 100% chance, then so do the other religions? So do Invisible Pink Unicorns? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Islam? But they are incompatible, aren't they?

*sigh* what i mean when i say we all have about the same chance is that they all have 100% belief too. so who's to say which one of us is right, since each of us is biased?

And my point is that there you have two conflicting viewpoints. You ask me to say where God came from, when you yourself have no idea where the big bang came from.

All apologies for my miswording, but the fact of the matter is that the big bang supposedly created everything, and there would be no space for the singularity itself to exist in if the big bang hadnt yet occurred.

**Vasu** · 05-02-2009, 06:30 AM

Well, atleast I admit my ignorance rather than relying on a book that claims to know everything, which is so improbable since as I said, it was written ages ago.

Also, I wait for a rational explanation, rather than one which simply does not answer the question such as god.

Jikanu · 05-02-2009, 06:33 AM

*sigh* i need to edit more quickly x.x

And how do you know that there isnt a rational explaination to spirituality, and whichever deity created us all? perhaps there's just much we havent yet uncovered, just as there is much we've yet to have uncovered about the big bang.

**Vasu** · 05-02-2009, 07:20 AM

The difference is that the big bang was arrived at by scientific enquiry. The universe was found to be expanding, therefore it should have started expanding at some point, and therefore, after a little more research, the big bang was found to be the explanation that best fitted the evidence.

When it comes to god, there is no research involved. Just stating that a deity created us is kinda plausible, but stating that it has all these attributes that religion states it does is foolishness.

Jikanu · 05-02-2009, 07:32 AM

What about the eventual starting point? the first bit of matter, no matter how small, had to have a creator. And how is an omnipotent, omnicient being any harder to think of than some figurative spiritual beast smashing through and creating all existance, if that's what you're suggesting by saying the traits that religion gives the deity?

**Vasu** · 05-02-2009, 09:21 AM

Your first statement works against you too.

Okay let's look at the argument.

The big bang happened.
Something had to make it happen.
A certain deity made it happen.

So far it seems okay if you disregard the infinite regression it created. But now, here comes the excess baggage.

The deity is omnipotent. Why hypothesise that?
The deity is omniscient. Why?
The deity is omnipresent. How? Why?
The deity is benevolent. Why?
The deity is intelligent and aware of our existence. Why?