Deity Existence

[Jikanu]

What do you mean? the fact that she had lost faith for an amount of time, but still believed in his existance? or the fact that she did alot of work to help people in an impovrished nation? or perhaps that she was a great humanitarian? please, if im missing, inform me.


if it's the former of the three... read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul

[Hraesvelg]

I think Hitchens puts it best:

http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/

[Jikanu]

im talking about her charity work, not her beatification. The Pope isnt infallible when it comes to things outside of doctrine. He's still human.

EDIT: Read a bit more. i sincerely doubt that there was some form of massive conspiracy, seeing as she got the Nobel Peace Prize and other prizes outside of the church, but i digress.

What about other charity work religion has brought about? the salvation army, for example

[Hraesvelg]

The idea that a human can be infallible in any sort of circumstance is prima facie absurd.

[Jikanu]

Not infallible, simply guided by God to make the correct teachings for the church. but once again, we're delving far too deep into Christianity and not religion in general.

Once again, may i ask what rhyme or reason supports the idea of nothingnesss exploding?

[Vasu]

I agree that alot of what the church did in the past was wrong. but what about the good things we've done, such as the works of Mother Theresa?

And you claim that nothingness exploded, which is also impossible. i'll explain mine when you explain yours.

Jesus, Jik, did you even read any of my last posts? Nothingness did NOT explode. A singularity exploded. SINGULARITY. I do not know how that singularity came about. You claim that god did it, and claim not to know where god came from, while attaching a lot of excess baggage such as benevolence, omniscience and omnipotence to that being when it isn't even necessary, and you also claim that he has been accurately portrayed in a book written thousands of years ago by people who had neither the technology nor the knowledge that we have today, to find out such things.

Then, you claim to have a firm, unshakeable belief in that being and that book, while eschewing parts of it, and following bits of it, and later claiming that any religion has the same chance to be right. Excuse me? If you are a Christian, then you believe that you are 100% right, that Jesus was the son of god, and you will be sent to hell, heaven or purgatory depending on how you lived your life. So if Christianity has a 100% chance, then so do the other religions? So do Invisible Pink Unicorns? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Islam? But they are incompatible, aren't they?

[Hraesvelg]

Not infallible, simply guided by God to make the correct teachings for the church. but once again, we're delving far too deep into Christianity and not religion in general.

Once again, may i ask what rhyme or reason supports the idea of nothingnesss exploding?

Might I refer you to, well, this same thread you've been supposedly reading?

http://fiestafan.com/forums/showthre...ity#post324371

That would be the Creationist view. The Big Bang appears to have resulted from a singularity. Admittedly, there is still much, much to be discovered about singularities in general and the Big Bang singularity in specific, but no one truly contends that everything came from nothing.

It's even hard to think about what might have caused the singularity, seeing as time and causality, by definition, couldn't have existed pre-Big Bang, at least as it relates to our universe. I have a sneaking suspicion that we're the result of another universe switching on their own Large Hadron Collider. The quantum foam idea is elegant, but still hard to grasp conceptually, much less actually test for it at this point.

[Jikanu]

Jesus, Jik, did you even read any of my last posts? Nothingness did NOT explode. A singularity exploded. SINGULARITY. I do not know how that singularity came about. You claim that god did it, and claim not to know where god came from, while attaching a lot of excess baggage such as benevolence, omniscience and omnipotence to that being when it isn't even necessary, and you also claim that he has been accurately portrayed in a book written thousands of years ago by people who had neither the technology nor the knowledge that we have today, to find out such things.

Then, you claim to have a firm, unshakeable belief in that being and that book, while eschewing parts of it, and following bits of it, and later claiming that any religion has the same chance to be right. Excuse me? If you are a Christian, then you believe that you are 100% right, that Jesus was the son of god, and you will be sent to hell, heaven or purgatory depending on how you lived your life. So if Christianity has a 100% chance, then so do the other religions? So do Invisible Pink Unicorns? Hinduism? Buddhism? Jainism? Islam? But they are incompatible, aren't they?

*sigh* what i mean when i say we all have about the same chance is that they all have 100% belief too. so who's to say which one of us is right, since each of us is biased?

And my point is that there you have two conflicting viewpoints. You ask me to say where God came from, when you yourself have no idea where the big bang came from.

All apologies for my miswording, but the fact of the matter is that the big bang supposedly created everything, and there would be no space for the singularity itself to exist in if the big bang hadnt yet occurred.

[Vasu]

Well, atleast I admit my ignorance rather than relying on a book that claims to know everything, which is so improbable since as I said, it was written ages ago.

Also, I wait for a rational explanation, rather than one which simply does not answer the question such as god.

[Jikanu]

*sigh* i need to edit more quickly x.x

And how do you know that there isnt a rational explaination to spirituality, and whichever deity created us all? perhaps there's just much we havent yet uncovered, just as there is much we've yet to have uncovered about the big bang.