Guide to party clerics.

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Even if that is true there is no way you spend more on HP stones or SP stones than clerics do either way. So theres no reason anyone should complain about using a stone/pot unless they are a cleric

From a mage point of view, it is a pain in a butt to use HP stones. We can carry so little HP stones it's ridiculous.

1. Clerics would be less squishy, so if they had to use a stone, they can survive quite a few hits before they need to use a stone (assuming that the mobs are on similar-ish level, and not super strong/hard mobs).

2. Mages are squishy. Take a hit or two, we have to stone. No heal? Stone pot stone pot.

As a mage, I've used SO many hp pots and stones. We use up our hp stones a lot quicker. As a level 44 mage, I can only carry 52 hp stones. I'm pretty sure other classes of the same level can carry a lot more. Heck, I think my level 30 archer can actually carry more than 52 stones! I don't know why, but it sucks big time. Also, as you go into your 50s, I think you get to carry... 54 hp stones? Yay, 2 more? Ugh.

This is why I get so annoyed when clerics don't heal or they wait till you only have 10 hp left before they heal. I think that other classes do have the right to complain about pots/stones.

As a cleric, I personally don't mind giving up my stones. Usually, I don't even need to use HP pots. But, I've always played with my friends or in KQs, so I don't really mind sacrificing a bit.

I just find it really weird to heal myself over others if a stone or a pot can do the trick. Of course, if you're getting mobbed by heaps of things, then you should heal yourself too, but I don't like the idea of putting myself over others as a cleric.


I think this whole thing goes both way. Both classes need to be willing to sacrifice a bit. As a mage, I wouldn't mind stoning and potting if I'm getting hit really bad, since I know that I am squishy and the cleric may not heal fast enough/have other people to support. At the same time, a cleric must be willing to sacrifice their bits to keep the party alive.

Personally, if my party isn't doing their job, I just quit the party.

[Osiris]

From a mage point of view, it is a pain in a butt to use HP stones. We can carry so little HP stones it's ridiculous.

1. Clerics would be less squishy, so if they had to use a stone, they can survive quite a few hits before they need to use a stone (assuming that the mobs are on similar-ish level, and not super strong/hard mobs).

2. Mages are squishy. Take a hit or two, we have to stone. No heal? Stone pot stone pot.

As a mage, I've used SO many hp pots and stones. We use up our hp stones a lot quicker. As a level 44 mage, I can only carry 52 hp stones. I'm pretty sure other classes of the same level can carry a lot more. Heck, I think my level 30 archer can actually carry more than 52 stones! I don't know why, but it sucks big time. Also, as you go into your 50s, I think you get to carry... 54 hp stones? Yay, 2 more? Ugh.

This is why I get so annoyed when clerics don't heal or they wait till you only have 10 hp left before they heal. I think that other classes do have the right to complain about pots/stones.

As a cleric, I personally don't mind giving up my stones. Usually, I don't even need to use HP pots. But, I've always played with my friends or in KQs, so I don't really mind sacrificing a bit.

Ok I get what you mean. Thats true, mages will die a lot faster than clerics will, thats a proven fact(minus the mages that get +9 everything w/END/INT equipment). I don't mind healing mages or other characters, its just you can't demand someone to do something. Also there is the problem of where clerics don't obtain as much money from drops since a lot of parties don't put it on sequential. The only money I obtain is really from either AOEing with a mage as a duo party or grinding by myself. Any other time they don't put it on sequential so every time we use a stone we are just wasting money since we aren't obtaining any(at least thats how it is for most parties I join).

I think this whole thing goes both way. Both classes need to be willing to sacrifice a bit. As a mage, I wouldn't mind stoning and potting if I'm getting hit really bad, since I know that I am squishy and the cleric may not heal fast enough/have other people to support. At the same time, a cleric must be willing to sacrifice their bits to keep the party alive.

YES!!!! thank you! because that is definitely true. There is a difference between sacrificing though and just spamming. A lot of people when they expect you to heal ONLY them and not yourself then you practically have to spam pots/stones. What you should do as a non-cleric is if you really want to only have him heal you then if he/she is getting attacked walk over there and take the enemies!!! A cleric shouldn't have to walk over to you, heal you, AND use pots on himself, just for you to take the enemies from him. I believe a lot of the people that complain about someone not healing refuse to use a stone/pot on themselves then blame it on the cleric when they die. Thats a really big issue right there.

I just find it really weird to heal myself over others if a stone or a pot can do the trick. Of course, if you're getting mobbed by heaps of things, then you should heal yourself too, but I don't like the idea of putting myself over others as a cleric.

Well.......A cleric needs to put him/herself first though...because a cleric is vital for everyone to survive. The second the cleric dies you either have to 1. Use a ton of pots/stones to survive/kill the enemies or 2. Run away. Theres no other options because the cleric can't come back and heal you right away even if in a KQ.

What if all the clerics went on strike and decided not to help anyone else except for other clerics then what!! haha

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Ok I get what you mean. etc

I wont' quote the wall of text, but yeah I do agree with you on most of the things.

For the making money/seq drops thing, since I've always partied with my guildmates, I never had a problem with that. Though I'd imagine that if I was to party randoms some day, if they don't put it on seq I won't party with them at all, lmao.

And yeah, of course, no one should ever demand anyone of anything unless the other person are total noobs and aren't doing their jobs!

[Vasu]

Ok I have a lvl 60+ cleric and have been playing awhile so I know what you mean about AOEing. But really there shouldn't be a need for a cleric to have to use a stone or a pot when its just a regular party such as in KQ unless all of your teammates just happen to be practically killing themselves constantly. So in most KQs its usually not the clerics thats the problem(unless they are really THAT bad) but more of other people who put themselves in more danger than need be.

I find that most clerics in the 11-39 bracket are extremely irritating and non-supportive. Unfortunately, that is the level bracket of my archer. Let's take a look at my usual situation in..say a Gold Hill KQ. Cleric/Fighter in party tanking, me shooting from a distance. Eventually I pull aggro. When the monster gets close enough, I use Nature's Protection. The monter almost always lands a hit anyway. I lose a bit of my HP. Ok, so its only a bit. But after 5 monsters? Or 6? My requests for a heal either go ignored or refused. I know how to ask. My main is a cleric, and I face the same problems that you do except the "Buff plz" thing which I'll be facing soon enough anyway (Once I get back to the game that is).

So yes, in AOEing most of the time you will need to use a pot or stone instead of healing yourself or else your other member(s) of your party with most likely die. But also I do agree that it is your responsibility to take care of yourself first if your gonna die instead of your teammate. I was mostly irritated at your post because most of the time you were acting as if a cleric is just a tool for yourself to stay alive instead of a teammate.

A cleric has to support his full team and himself, which is what makes him the most difficult class to play (in a party atleast). But the clerics I see nowadays just make good solo players and while a few do make an effort, most stick to banging away at the monster.

No, it is not a cleric's job to make sure you don't use any pots/stones. It is the clerics job to try to keep himself/teammate alive yes, but there shouldn't be a point where the cleric has to constantly use only pots/stones because whoever he/she is healing refuses to use a stone/pot for themselves.

Which is why I said "Ideal Cleric" I don't claim to be such a heal slave that I forget about myself, but I really don't think about whether the other guy is spending as many SP/HP stones as me whenever I'm in a party.


It doesn't suck, its better if you have been a cleric for awhile. If you can imagine how it is for most clerics who are expected A LOT out of them at all times then its a little easier. I mean I was really excited to give people buffs when I first obtained the skill. But when people follow you around and keep asking you for a buff thats more annoying than anything. If you ask nicely by saying 'please' or even just whisper, you are more likely to get one. The second you demand one or follow someone don't count on getting one. The same way when it comes to healing. If you demand someone to heal you at all times theres no way they would actually heal you.

You're saying my guide sounds like a demand to heal? Well it is. But it's meant only for the ones that don't heal at all.

Even if that is true there is no way you spend more on HP stones or SP stones than clerics do either way. So theres no reason anyone should complain about using a stone/pot unless they are a cleric.

I disagree. I find clerics by far the cheapest class, which is why I'm encouraging sacrifices on our part. Sure all clsses have to make sacrifices, but this is cleric guide. If you're in a party that doesn't do its share, then lay off the sacrifices. Start shrooming for SP etc. etc.

On a final note, this is a really old guide, it doesn't have many of the new things like empowering power for heal and so on etc.. I never really expected this guide to surface again, but I guess I'll get around to editing it sometime.