Guide to party clerics.

[Angelhm]

I have experience with Clerics since i have 2 high clerics and 2 Mages and have been on Fiesta since Beta testing.

A cleric has a vital role in any party. He/she's the one with the ability to make fancy lights and support and heal the other party members.

Yeah, Clerics are the ones with the biggest parts,we are the most important. BUT we are not just for healing. I AM TIRED OF EVERYONE YELLING FOR A HEAL OR REVIVAL, And i know i'm not the ONLY one who is. We deserve SOME respect.

A cleric's base dmg is minimal. Appalling. Absolutely worthless.

I beg your pardon, I get better attack rates then a Mage does! and it didn't cost me a penny, just some hard work.

In a full party where everyone's doing their bit, you might as well do your own too. Heal. Make sure nobody dies. Sure, you get that reviving skill at lvl 20, but that doesn't get them back their lost exp. So they'll be mad at you anyway. So your role in a a party is to heal and support. Heal is pretty straightforward. What's support? Well, starting from lvl 11, you get a buff that lasts an hour everytime it's cast, and increases the defence and damage of the entire party. In fact, the more party members you have, the more effective it becomes. Don't forget to always have them casted! If there are about 10 minutes left, you might as well recast them.

But what if they aren't doing their part? What then? OH so now we HAVE to buy buffs AND the Revival skill? Who do you think has to pay for it? Clerics are supposed to stand back and heal the entire time, We hardly EVER get any of the drops, so there is no money at all.

Click on him and heal you moron! And don't forget to map heal to a button that's easily accessible for you on your hotkey bar, so you can heal them before they die.

US MORONS? Who do you think is saving your butt every time you get attacked?

Technically, you won't be attacking in a party, so empowering bash isn't necessary. But that's only if you're in a party for your whole life. It's usually recommended to max the dmg of bash, and halve its SP consumption

I'm mostly on solo runs just to get money. Of course I upgraded heal first but I ALWAYS upgrade bash so i CAN stand a chance against monsters.

use stones/pots to heal yourself, and continue healing the main tank!
2. Your first responsibility is towards the party members.

WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE POTS TOO,BUT WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM?And UM NO, Our first responsibility is to OURSELVES, just like everyone else's is.

The ideal cleric will make sure his/her party will never have to use a HP stone/pot.

Oh I get it! You want them not to have to pay to get pots and stones but we have too? I have to pay a TON of money just to get SP pots/stone so i CAN heal people.

Yeah this guide sucks, I know, but it's my first guide, and I had to feel like I was doing something to stop the overflow of non-healing, non-supporting clerics.

Yeah it does suck. A cleric is not and i repeat is NOT some one you tell to heal you, you ask them too. AND FYI WE DO HEAL: YOU JUST END UP DYING ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO HEAL YOU ALL THE TIME WHEN THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE TO HEAL BESIDES YOU

[koager]

Not sure if its just Epith but recently the quality of clerics have gone down the drain.


While in Graveyard of the Dead with a party doing those dungeon quests I got killed once. I told the cleric not to worry about it too much and that it was fine. He was like "ok that means its fine if you die, I won't heal you then". Ok, lol, a joke, fine. He seriously didn't heal me at all when I was aoe'ing and just let me die.....he seriously stood there watching my health go down

When I die, there's a cleric right in front of me. I wait until he/she is finished killing mobs and ask for a rev. They turn around and run the other way...wth. Happened on my alt in Luminous Stone, and quite often in Gold Hill KQ. My body was laying there in plain sight, not those like I'm half buried in the ground positions yet they still don't rev.........

In 1 Robo KQ the cleric in my party was complaining that he was bored because we weren't getting hurt (1 fighter, 2 mages, 1 archer), so I was like ok fine, I'll go in to AoE. He couldn't keep up with the damage I was taking........

Honeying KQ. We have 2 clerics. ........Make that 1. The cleric that I got in my party (1 fighter, that 1 cleric, 3 mages) doesn't heal. He keeps trying to go kill stuff but just ends up dying straightaway. I had to depend on the other cleric to rev and heal me when I AoE. The entire KQ told him to stop attacking and focus on healing multiple times. Needless to say the KQ failed because he tried to tank Giant Honeying by himself while we were still killing off tinys and then dragging it straight to us with its giant AoE....


These clerics need this guide made into like a 500page manual and slammed into their faces!


on the other hand for KQs and such people do not need to endlessly spam HEAL PLZ!!!! and REV!!!! every single second they get. A cleric's job is hard. They have to run, heal, rev, on 5+ people at once.
This tends to be especially bad in Robo KQ when clerics are busy running or rev'ing someone more important (another live cleric is far better than a mage that will just end up getting 1hitted....). Yet people keep on spamming rev and swearing at clerics for not putting them first on their priority list.

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o lol I thought this was new
didn't know it was an old guide that got necro'd and brought back up

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Guides are exempted from necro, koager.

Not sure if its just Epith but recently the quality of clerics have gone down the drain.

I'm afraid a reason for this would probably be this kind of attitude:

I have experience with Clerics since i have 2 high clerics and 2 Mages and have been on Fiesta since Beta testing. etc etc

Firstly, this guide is for clerics who like party. You sound like a solo cleric so if this guide doesn't fit you, perhaps that's why?

Secondly,

"A cleric is not and i repeat is NOT some one you tell to heal you, you ask them too. AND FYI WE DO HEAL: YOU JUST END UP DYING ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO HEAL YOU ALL THE TIME WHEN THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE TO HEAL BESIDES YOU"

^ This worries me. Greatly. Oh very greatly.

I was gonna type something long but I think I'll keep it short.

I go agree that Vasu's guide have some errors in them, but the general attitude about being a support cleric you have gave off isn't the best. It sounds like your party members will have to ask you for every heal. That isn't really the best way to go, and I really hope that I've misunderstood something and that's not what you were trying to say.

If you're not playing a support cleric, this guide is not for you. If you are, oh my goodness.

[Angelhm]

yeah, but that doesn't mean that this needs to be posted, not all clerics are like that, i practically run around the wild healing random people. I haven't revived anyone on this character but thats because i don't have the skill.


This is what happened today:
SO i was doing Mara Pirates KQ and we were doing pretty well, we only had ONE High Cleric, and he didn't have the revive skill. Me liking to have the important skills ready so when i lvl up i can go ahead and use it in a bind ( it works so if you waste your money you already have the skill). And i was offering to give it to him, but he didn't want is so we all ended up dieing. Not my fault it was his.

Firstly, this guide is for clerics who like party. You sound like a solo cleric so if this guide doesn't fit you, perhaps that's why?

I am a party cleric, i'm always in a party with 1-3 other people. I find that it's all the more leveled people who demand heals and revivals. That's why i like party with people who aren't so leveled, they tend to be more grateful for the help

This worries me. Greatly. Oh very greatly.

What worrys me is being expected to do all the healing

[Blaaaaaaaah]

yeah, but that doesn't mean that this needs to be posted, not all clerics are like that, i practically run around the wild healing random people. I haven't revived anyone on this character but thats because i don't have the skill.


This is what happened today:
SO i was doing Mara Pirates KQ and we were doing pretty well, we only had ONE High Cleric, and he didn't have the revive skill. Me liking to have the important skills ready so when i lvl up i can go ahead and use it in a bind ( it works so if you waste your money you already have the skill). And i was offering to give it to him, but he didn't want is so we all ended up dieing. Not my fault it was his.

After reading this post, perhaps I did misunderstood what you were trying to say.

Anyway, I play both a cleric and mage. I agree that it's bloody annoying when people expect so much out of you as a cleric. However, as a mage, I've also met too many clerics who believe we have unlimited amount of HP pots and stones with no CD or something and fails to support the party when we needed them.

[Angelhm]

After reading this post, perhaps I did misunderstood what you were trying to say.

Anyway, I play both a cleric and mage. I agree that it's bloody annoying when people expect so much out of you as a cleric. However, as a mage, I've also met too many clerics who believe we have unlimited amount of HP pots and stones with no CD or something and fails to support the party when we needed them.

Glad you understand now. I agree that it is bloody annoying for people to keep yelling for a heal when 1. they aren't in your party. 2. they aren't really helping.

I started out with a mage in Beta testing, but they restarted the servers so i made a cleric on Teva. At that time nobody really expected you to heal every second.
Now, since i started a new cleric on the Apoline (just started playing again), people ae demanding a heal.

In the Slime KQ Nobody in my party would get what i needed so i would always take it into my own hands to get the slimes for my quests (i'm a BIG quest person). On My last run (i knew it would be) I TOLD everyone that i wasn't going to heal i was going to kill the slimes ( and i got Queen and King in one go) after i had done my damage i healed everyone and killed the queen with help from another cleric. So just to say 2 clerics make a kick butt party.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Glad you understand now. I agree that it is bloody annoying for people to keep yelling for a heal when 1. they aren't in your party. 2. they aren't really helping.

I started out with a mage in Beta testing, but they restarted the servers so i made a cleric on Teva. At that time nobody really expected you to heal every second.
Now, since i started a new cleric on the Apoline (just started playing again), people ae demanding a heal

Ah, I didn't you know were talking about people not in your party~ Thought you were talking about people in your party which got me worried a bit, LOL!

[Angelhm]

Ah, I didn't you know were talking about people not in your party~ Thought you were talking about people in your party which got me worried a bit, LOL!

Actually I'm talking about ALL of them.

So today in Mara Pirates Revenge KQ I was the only cleric. I healed and healed and revived. BUT nobody listened to me. So we ended up failing. I have My heal to the least amount of time possable, but they are just to stubborn to listen. I managed to save 3 others till the end but we weren't strong enough.

[Vasu]

Right, Angelhm, first off, I'd like to apologise for not replying sooner. I haven't really been online of late. Here we go then

I have experience with Clerics since i have 2 high clerics and 2 Mages and have been on Fiesta since Beta testing.


Yeah, Clerics are the ones with the biggest parts,we are the most important. BUT we are not just for healing. I AM TIRED OF EVERYONE YELLING FOR A HEAL OR REVIVAL, And i know i'm not the ONLY one who is. We deserve SOME respect.

I never said we didn't. I only respect those who respect me.


I beg your pardon, I get better attack rates then a Mage does! and it didn't cost me a penny, just some hard work.

I never mentioned attack rates. I said base damage.


But what if they aren't doing their part? What then? OH so now we HAVE to buy buffs AND the Revival skill? Who do you think has to pay for it? Clerics are supposed to stand back and heal the entire time, We hardly EVER get any of the drops, so there is no money at all.

If they aren't doing their part, then I usually just quit that party. If its a KQ, I resign myself to the loss and move on.

US MORONS? Who do you think is saving your butt every time you get attacked?

I save my butt everytime I'm attacked. I'm a cleric too. I was referring to the number of people I saw on my archer who just went on hitting away at the monster even when I was dying. Was he/she busy? Maybe once. Maybe twice. 5-6 times being just ignored, and I think I'll call them morons. Maybe you have +9 blue hammer. Maybe you do more damage than that mage in the party. But the fact remains that you're the only one who can heal in the party. Does it hurt so much to stop banging away at that monster for a split second to heal a party-mate?

I'm mostly on solo runs just to get money. Of course I upgraded heal first but I ALWAYS upgrade bash so i CAN stand a chance against monsters.

I said upgrade bash because you won't be in a party all your Fiesta life. Read carefully.

WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE POTS TOO,BUT WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM?And UM NO, Our first responsibility is to OURSELVES, just like everyone else's is.

I find it hard to disagree with you on these points. I was mistaken. It is not our obligation to sacrifice ourselves for our party.


Oh I get it! You want them not to have to pay to get pots and stones but we have too? I have to pay a TON of money just to get SP pots/stone so i CAN heal people.

And they have to pay tons for HP stones because you DIDN'T heal them. Ever thought about that?

Yeah it does suck. A cleric is not and i repeat is NOT some one you tell to heal you, you ask them too. AND FYI WE DO HEAL: YOU JUST END UP DYING ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO HEAL YOU ALL THE TIME WHEN THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE TO HEAL BESIDES YOU

I didn't say clerics should respond to every demand for a heal. I also did not say that you should keep healing and ressing someone who's being a fool.

Finally, this guide is primarily for those who make clerics so that they have an easy way to lvl 79 or 89 by healing themselves, doing KQs and not giving a damn about others. The rudeness does not apply to clerics who know they're giving it a sincere try .

[Osiris]

7. Other important points:

I. When you're healing a party member who's attacking multiple monster (very common in AOE parties, or parties in which large number of monsters are gathered and killed off), and some of them come at you, use stones/pots to heal yourself, and continue healing the main tank! This is for two main reasons:

1. Healing yourself is going to fetch you more aggro which is going to make it even more difficult for the tank to get the aggro back.
2. Your first responsibility is towards the party members.

However, if your pots and stones aren't doing enough to keep you alive, then do not hesitate to throw in a heal to keep yourself alive. After all if you live, you can revive them. If you die, they die.

Ok I have a lvl 60+ cleric and have been playing awhile so I know what you mean about AOEing. But really there shouldn't be a need for a cleric to have to use a stone or a pot when its just a regular party such as in KQ unless all of your teammates just happen to be practically killing themselves constantly. So in most KQs its usually not the clerics thats the problem(unless they are really THAT bad) but more of other people who put themselves in more danger than need be. So yes, in AOEing most of the time you will need to use a pot or stone instead of healing yourself or else your other member(s) of your party with most likely die. But also I do agree that it is your responsibility to take care of yourself first if your gonna die instead of your teammate. I was mostly irritated at your post because most of the time you were acting as if a cleric is just a tool for yourself to stay alive instead of a teammate.

II. If you're a cleric who has a solo build and you solo a lot, atleast try to switch to support mode when you join a KQ. Seriously, your damage is so low, there's no need for you to attack the monster, and keep attacking even when another party member is dying. The ideal cleric will make sure his/her party will never have to use a HP stone/pot.

No, it is not the cleric's job to make sure you don't use any pots/stones. It is the clerics job to try to keep himself/teammate alive yes, but there shouldn't be a point where the cleric has to constantly use only pots/stones because whoever he/she is healing refuses to use a stone/pot for themselves.

V. Yeah this guide sucks, I know, but it's my first guide, and I had to feel like I was doing something to stop the overflow of non-healing, non-supporting clerics..

It doesn't suck, its better if you have been a cleric for awhile. If you can imagine how it is for most clerics who are expected A LOT out of them at all times then its a little easier. I mean I was really excited to give people buffs when I first obtained the skill. But when people follow you around and keep asking you for a buff thats more annoying than anything. If you ask nicely by saying 'please' or even just whisper, you are more likely to get one. The second you demand one or follow someone don't count on getting one. The same way when it comes to healing. If you demand someone to heal you at all times theres no way they would actually heal you.

And they have to pay tons for HP stones because you DIDN'T heal them. Ever thought about that?

Even if that is true there is no way you spend more on HP stones or SP stones than clerics do either way. So theres no reason anyone should complain about using a stone/pot unless they are a cleric