Suggestion!

[+Tequila+]

I think this is a bit biased. Just because she is in G____G and so am I, doesn't mean we are sticking in a pack.

Okay - guilds are made up of friends, right? At least for most guilds, people invite others they like. And naturally, your friends will have stuff in common with you, right? Some of them also tend to think a lot like you, right? Most of my friends irl think a lot like me. I can't be friends with someone who I disagree with all the time.

That said - I don't see what is so surprising when two people in the same guild agrees with each other. Obviously they are friends - so the chances of them agreeing with each other are pretty large, ain't it?

Not just with G____G - with ANY guild, for that matter. Why would you be in a guild if you keep disagreeing with your guildies? I personally find it hard to get a long with someone that I can't agree with someone all the time. =/

Yes thats well and good but as I said before when the people in power just always agree with whatever the other one does then that is not cool. You agree with him ,he agrees with her and she in return agrees with that other guy. How do you really think that makes the people that dont really have a say so in what goes on feel? As for G__G not having any influence on this forum. You are a moderator correct? Yosei is a moderator correct? Spirit is a moderator correct? You are all in G__G correct? You are all involved inthe rule/decision making process correct? You share like opinions with your friends correct? All that equals influence.

[Hyper]

11 viewers... Pretty impressive. o: I forget the last time I saw that.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

And I honestly doubt that posting something in "Talk with the mods" or "Site Suggestions and Feedback" will do much for an entire population, but more on a 1 - 1 basis. How many people said they had a problem like I do... but only after I started this? How many people will continue in the following days? People like to avoid conflict, meaning they're not going to start it, but if someone else started it, they'll sure join.

It is that way of thinking that makes it hard for us. If you don't try and post in there, of course it won't work. Trying = it might work. Not trying = won't work at all.

I want to stress this - we work as individuals. Even sometimes, us mods operate individually. We have our own perspectives. We debate - a lot - in the staff forum. We have so many issues we disagree on. It is not easy for us to come up with a conclusion that will satisfy all mods, let alone all members.

Of course, I accept that things change. That's why we want everyone to speak up to help change FF. There is only so much we can do - we can't exactly "control" you guys. If the mods can't control you guys, G____G can't either. Look at this issue. It's caused a pretty hectic chaos, didn't it? If I could, I would have hoped this whole thread disappear. For all I want, I could just tick this thread and press delete, then tell you all "no this is how we want to run it, go away." I know that many GG members don't like what is happening in this thread. But did we delete it? No, course not. Why? Because GG has nothing to do with what moderators want to do on this forum.

But we are not doing that because we know that you guys don't like us censoring things, and we know that it's not right for us to restrict your freedom of speech.

So yes - we operate individually, GG or not. If I was not in GG, I would personally be modding stuff the same way. Then again - that is something only members can take my word for. And I just hope that you guys will have faith in us. We do try to do our jobs properly. GG or not. Guildies or not. Fiesta-ing or not.

[Dynamics]

Yes thats well and good but as I said before when the people in power just always agree with whatever the other one does then that is not cool. You agree with him ,he agrees with her and she in return agrees with that other guy. How do you really think that makes the people that dont really have a say so in what goes on feel? As for G__G not having any influence on this forum. You are a moderator correct? Yosei is a moderator correct? Spirit is a moderator correct? You are all in G__G correct? You are all involved inthe rule/decision making process correct? You share like opinions with your friends correct? All that equals influence.

I think I'll step in here to speak out for G____G. People - not specifically tequila - are claiming we all operate like a pack of mindless sheep. One person leads, the rest follow. I really can't stress how untrue this is.

It bothers some people to see the mods only in one specific group.

I don't have a problem with moderators at the moment because I don't reckon they band together. The fact that they're all in the same guild really is no more than a coincidence. People in G____G operate independently and individually. We're in different timezones, we're in different generations, we're in different cultures. We think on an individual basis before we come together with our thoughts and ideas as a group. We do have conflict with one another with our beliefs, we try to be fair and open with one another regarding opinion.

For the majority of you to come in here and all believe we operate mindlessly as a group is unfair to us each in G____G as individuals. It's insulting to our intelligence, our moral integrity and us as G____G. What basis do you people have to say such things? We don't all flock into a single group straight away to argue someone down. That's silly and unfair. Yeah, we're all here now talking out what we think is the truth about G____G's influence, about whether or not G____G thinks as a single entity or as many individuals (each with their own thoughts and feelings).

But what is this truth? How can you claim that you know the truth when you lack perspective? I just know from my own personal experience in the guild, I get my say before things happen. I get my own truth out regarding things, regardless of much I may agree or disagree with another person in guild. I get my say.

I think you're blowing what's a mere coincidence majorly out of proportion with lack of perspective on things.

[+Tequila+]

I think I'll step in here to speak out for G____G. People are claiming we all operate like a pack of mindless sheep. One person leads, the rest follow. I really can't stress how untrue this is.



I don't have a problem with moderators at the moment because I don't reckon they band together. The fact that they're all in the same guild really is no more than a coincidence. People in G____G operate independently and individually. We're in different timezones, we're in different generations, we're in different cultures. We think on an individual basis before we come together with our thoughts and ideas as a group. We do have conflict with one another with our beliefs, we try to be fair and open with one another regarding opinion.

For the majority of you to come in here and all believe we operate mindlessly as a group is unfair to us each in G____G as individuals. It's insulting to our intelligence, our moral integrity and us as G____G. What basis do you people have to say such things? We don't all flock into a single group straight away to argue someone down. That's silly and unfair. Yeah, we're all here now talking out what we think is the truth about G____G's influence, about whether or not G____G thinks as a single entity or as many individuals (each with their own thoughts and feelings).

But what is this truth? How can you claim that you know the truth when you lack perspective? I just know from my own personal experience in the guild, I get my say before things happen. I get my own truth out regarding things, regardless of much I may agree or disagree with another person in guild. I get my say.

I think you're blowing what's a mere coincidence majorly out of proportion with lack of perspective on things.

I merely put what booyah tried to say into something easier to read. I don't have a opinion on you guys. Everything I said was hypothetical and even though it may have offended you guys it was merely hypothetical I know a few of you Bla~ahs Yosei and Spirit and possibly a few others casually. We've had our disagreements but I know they have something some people lack integrity

no one was referring to you as mindless sheep well I wasn't anyways I only posted in this thread to try and help everyone better understand the other person. It seemed like a massive dramafest so I tried to curb that. Also I never claimed to know the truth I merely put the general response into a paragraph and tried to make you guys see what everyone else was saying. Even then you still dont understand really I guess since most of you are taking it personally when thats not how it was meant.

[Entropy]

I read this whole thread, but I'm tired and need to sleep so I won't comment on it now. If anyone has a problem with anything, has a suggetion/question, or just wants to bring something to my attention, I'd like to hear about it. Send me a pm, or an email using the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page.

[Enraya]

I just went through this thread again.

What HAS G____G influenced?
Besides MoS, with queen A_For and iiInnocencex (I forgot how to spell it Dx), we don't have too much influence. We post a lot, yeah xD We talk a lot too. We often like to voice our own opinion, but where has GG dramatically impacted a situation?

[+Tequila+]

I just went through this thread again.

What HAS G____G influenced?
Besides MoS, with queen A_For and iiInnocencex (I forgot how to spell it Dx), we don't have too much influence. We post a lot, yeah xD We talk a lot too. We often like to voice our own opinion, but where has GG dramatically impacted a situation?

Sigh...again you don't understand. No one was referring to G__G as a guild. There are 3 Mods in G__G actively on this forum. They are in G__G. They Help make rules. Thus they*you guys too I guess* influence this forum. You are only looking at this situation from one perspective. I've looked at it from both of the perspective. Where as this situation may have not been brought on intentionally by the Mods. It is what it is and that is how it looks to people. In your perspective people are attacking your guild and your friends and you are defending them by voicing your opinion. In the other peoples perspective you guys are trying to dictate what they should or should'nt say. *note* As I said before it was all hypothetical I never said you guys do. I simply stated the obvious fact that you guys as a guild CAN if you wanted to. No one is saying you guys are trying to do that. Its just a concern some people have with the Moderator situation. Again no need to take it personally.

Example of how this situation can be just wrong to outside the group members: I remember a while back a thread was made on this forum about ____ . I posted and in return ____thought I was attacking _____. What happened next was basically ____ voicing their opinions on the matter trying to say that there way was better then mines or that my way was jus wrong. In the end things spiraled out of control and bad things happened. I was derepped a bunch by _______ because they were the majority. There wasn't much I could about it because yea what I said before.

[Enraya]

No, I have looked at it from both sides. You're taking me as still defending my guild, which I am trying to drop right now.

I'm asking a simple question. What has GG influenced outside of regular spam posting and all the rage?

[Hessah]

I really hope someone will come out and goes "Ha! Jokes on you! that's why this is in MoS!"