Deity Existence

[Jikanu]

He made rules for us and lived by them himself. Is that "Sadistic"?

[Hraesvelg]

Yes, because the rules are capricious at best and vile at the worst. They certainly don't jive with any sort of merciful deity.

[Jikanu]

Meh. i beg to differ. i think of it as an act of mercy on us. he could've let our sorry asses burn in hell if he wanted to, if you believe in the religion

[Hraesvelg]

The hell that he created.

[Jikanu]

to punish an angel who attempted to overthrow him. because he created us.

[Vasu]

Meh. i beg to differ. i think of it as an act of mercy on us. he could've let our sorry asses burn in hell if he wanted to, if you believe in the religion

What you said earlier still doesn't answer my question. Being omnipotent, god could have instilled in all our minds a deep sense of regret for the sins we have done, and forgiven us all. There was no need to do a sacrifice. Let me bring up all the points I've made in this thread so far, and see how you respond to them.

• The burden of proof lies with the person who proposes a theory.
  
  
• If everything needs a creator, then so does God. Infinite regression
  
  
• There are those who believe that the universe is so complex, that someone absolutely must have turned all the dials, manipulated the figures, and therefore designed it this way. Point one; a designer is not necessary, natural selection will suffice. Point two; exactly how complex would a god need to be to do this? Therefore creating another infinite regression.
  
  
• There are so many religions, and each is just as difficult to prove/disprove. What is your explanation for picking yours, and dismissing the rest?
  

  I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

  
  
• Absolute omnipotence is impossible.
  
  
• Omniscience and omnipotence are incompatible.
  
  
• Religion/belief in god are not required to lead a moral life.
  
  
• While it is impossible to wholly disprove the existence of any god, it is more than possible to deal with the probability of such a being's existence, and the odds do not sway god's way.

There are probably more, but this are the ones I want your input on.

[Hraesvelg]

Seems like he could have seen that one coming, being omnipotent and all. I guess his creations were flawed. Doesn't say much for the creator, though.

But, hey, I guess since he has hell laying around, he shouldn't let it go to waste. He'll just use it for the people that act in a manner consistent with, well, how he created them. Sounds like a real swell guy.

[Jikanu]

he gives us all a chance with free will, hrae. Angels included. and hell wasnt just lying around. he created it for that purpose

[Vasu]

he gives us all a chance with free will, hrae. Angels included. and hell wasnt just lying around. he created it for that purpose

So he creates us in a way that we all automatically gravitate towards things that he does not want us to do, and then lets us burn forever for doing it. It sounds like putting poisoned cheese right in front of a mouse. Hey, the mouse has a choice. It ain't my fault.

[Hraesvelg]

Yet it is said that an all-powerful and all-knowing being has a plan for each of us. That doesn't exactly jibe well with the concept of free will.