Full STR clerics in Pvp - Page 2

**Ivramire** · 04-07-2009, 05:11 PM

Basically, even +9ed, unless the opponent is a non-C-Shopper, Clerics will still suck at PvP no matter the build. When you can't kill a guy and all you can do is ride it out, it's better not to fight in the first place. Especially with CS.

Most people's indicators of a good PvP character is how they handle one-on-one. There's nothing in it if you have to gank someone to kill them. So with both builds basically, once you get to a certain point it's basically better not to bother xD

Of course as mentioned before, it's all moot in war-PvP. But it isn't talking about that based on the OP.

Isuma · 04-07-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ivramire

Basically, even +9ed, unless the opponent is a non-C-Shopper, Clerics will still suck at PvP no matter the build. When you can't kill a guy and all you can do is ride it out, it's better not to fight in the first place. Especially with CS.

Most people's indicators of a good PvP character is how they handle one-on-one. There's nothing in it if you have to gank someone to kill them. So with both builds basically, once you get to a certain point it's basically better not to bother xD

Of course as mentioned before, it's all moot in war-PvP. But it isn't talking about that based on the OP.

-Throws away Tereyaki box-

Sorry, back from lunch.
>.>

What would you say is better, being able to outlast or having to put 4575% effort into trying to kill?

Full END clerics work in 1v1 pvp and wars, but in this case Full STR doesnt work it anymore. So being full STR is utterly pointless at 85+, you can try to fight a level 85 fighter but while you're trying to bash you wont heal and in one stun your life if empty. I've sat through onslaughts on my cleric with no trouble, fully charmed up in wars ready to take on the world, same goes for sitting in fbz1 (popular Apoline pvp hangout spot) where anyone that tries to kill me fails miserably, I've sat in pvp shroomed for about 50 minutes and watch people try to kill me while im shroomed, my guild master has done the same but I am no where near him in comparison. I only posted here because the OP wondered if she should change to a Full END build, that serves her purpose as a pvp cleric. Im sure most of us would rather be the unkillable war tank than the person thinking they can kill everyone. Because in the end, a charmed up full STR fighter vs a charmed up full END cleric, the battle will end up as a draw.

My point here is that its better to be unkillable than to be a killer, because (if this makes sense) the killer can always be killed by someone else. If you're unkillable, you have no worries.

**Ivramire** · 04-07-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Ivramire

Most people's indicators of a good PvP character is how they handle one-on-one. There's nothing in it if you have to gank someone to kill them. So with both builds basically, once you get to a certain point it's basically better not to bother xD

That's basically what I think now summarized. Full STR will work up to a point until it becomes useless and ENDs always useful but you'll never kill anything. We don't basically disagree (I think?) but I've always thought of PvP as trying to see how well you do against someone. The offensive factor for Clerics goes out the window at a certain point so...yeah. If the marginal benefit from END (I never advocated full-STR) is enough to save you from death, you'll just likely die the next round anyway with lucky crits. Or you can go full-survivability and try to limp it, but your damage is worse than a DoT. Maybe depends on what you value more.

Isuma · 04-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ivramire

That's basically what I think now summarized. Full STR will work up to a point until it becomes useless and ENDs always useful but you'll never kill anything. We don't basically disagree (I think?) but I've always thought of PvP as trying to see how well you do against someone. The offensive factor for Clerics goes out the window at a certain point so...yeah. If the marginal benefit from END (I never advocated full-STR) is enough to save you from death, you'll just likely die the next round anyway with lucky crits. Or you can go full-survivability and try to limp it, but your damage is worse than a DoT. Maybe depends on what you value more.

I lost track after my bottle of water ;_; what were we going on about?
im confused at the moment.

**Ivramire** · 04-07-2009, 07:13 PM

Yeah, me too...

PvP doesn't feel like it if you throw the offensive aspect out the window though. If only Bash/Trip worked...least there'd be a viable second attack-skill xD

Silent Wizard · 04-07-2009, 07:25 PM

Im building blue violet for strenght. I dont care about pvp as i have never been anyway. By the time she reaches 84 she will have 50 points into strength.

She just wants to be able to solo and kill 2 kidmon that are together and healing each other.

pigspark · 04-09-2009, 09:47 AM

i balance my cleric sp and hp so i can heal longer and survive a bit longer

keratz · 04-09-2009, 12:44 PM

Point is,you will never outdamage an archer's dots,a fighter's skill spam,or heck a mage.And str clerics CANt survive BK +9 axes (unless spam cash pots)

pigspark · 04-09-2009, 01:30 PM

*nods* true true.

oOKittyOo · 04-09-2009, 02:00 PM

Hm... im only a noob so i'm not sure if i kind of know enough to talk about this...

But i'm an end cleric. A full on Clanker. So far, i'm loving Kitty XD

She can support like anything if required and though the killing is a little slow, i can solo too... in fact, I mostly solo boss mobs to farm them.

Yeah, i suck at pvp. Can't kill anyone... but most fighters can't kill me either. The only problem is my guild always gets into war with capped ppl and they can kill me >< but anyone near my lvl can't unless they gang me and i don't bother with scrolls.

So i'm all for an end cleric. I can tank all boss mobs during kqs and steal aggro from fighters unless they are really good at what they do. I knew the moment that i chose to be a cleric that i would not be the best killer out there. I knew i was going to buff/heal/cure/rev. That's my job description. Yeah, i get angry when i get pvped and yea, i do wanna do myself some revenge... but that's not what clerics are technically made to do...

usually when i get pvped and get upset, friends come and help.... and i play support cleric. It's just as satisfying ><

I agree with Isuma... by the time I hit 89 at the rate i'm going... no one is going to be able to kill me. I could probably handle 3-4 fighters at once on stones and pots alone if necessary. At that point, it's going to be a good laugh watching them trying to kill me >< whilst i wait for my guildies/friends/hubby come to my rescue ><