Deity Existence

**Vasu** · 06-23-2009, 04:03 PM

The point is the attitude you keep while you watch and wait. Will you ascribe it to the god of the gaps? Or will you believe in eventual progress and discovery? I think the answer is pretty obvious to me.

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 08:09 AM

Ok, i concede that point. but explain one thing to me.

If none of the miracles in the new testament ever happened, why were they written? why would the followers willingly condemn themselves? was it a case of mass insanity? or were the followers of Jesus masichists?

i sincerely doubt that they would lie about the acts in the new testament. they had nothing to gain from lying. and they would be killed if they believed.

Explain that, if you will.

**Vasu** · 06-27-2009, 08:12 AM

They were promised a paradisaical afterlife and eternal happiness once they died. That's tempting to anyone.

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 08:16 AM

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

pigspark · 06-27-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

Well the new testament could be wrong. * not that im saying it is*

the Jews like people would say are one of the oldest religions and they say That the TRUE messiah would come so who knows where this would lead to.

**Vasu** · 06-27-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

True. but what you say is, basically, that Jesus never did any of the miracles that are spoken of in the new testament. Why didnt they join in with the others in Crucifying him? Their religion warned against false messiahs, after all.

He was a charismatic figure. There would be more people who believed that he had done them than those who didn't because of the way exaggerations add onto rumours like a rolling snowball. And to be fair, the Bible would've been written putting its best face on display.

Jikanu · 06-27-2009, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Vasu

He was a charismatic figure. There would be more people who believed that he had done them than those who didn't because of the way exaggerations add onto rumours like a rolling snowball. And to be fair, the Bible would've been written putting its best face on display.

And what would Jesus himself gain from this deciet? other than scourging, and being hung at the cross, which he DID forsee. True, if all went well he would be the most well known man in the world. but he wouldnt know that it would. and he wouldnt be able to experience it in life.

**Hraesvelg** · 06-27-2009, 04:34 PM

You do realize the New Testament was written well after the fact, correct? By members of the Christian sect? You don't think a little hero worship/cult of personality came into play? Just look at how the North Korean government speaks of Kim Jong Il.

**Vasu** · 06-27-2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

And what would Jesus himself gain from this deciet? other than scourging, and being hung at the cross, which he DID forsee. True, if all went well he would be the most well known man in the world. but he wouldnt know that it would. and he wouldnt be able to experience it in life.

He probably sincerely believed in God himself.