Deity Existence

[Jikanu]

No, it's simply theory on his nature. there's no scientific way of proving it, so it's only explainable that it has to be his nature.

Do you have scientific proof of LACK of an existence of a deity?

[Ralath]

No, it's simply theory on his nature. there's no scientific way of proving it, so it's only explainable that it has to be his nature.

Well, sure. We can theorize that that animals live off oxygen because they're special. We can theorize that the sun revolves around the earth because it's special. We can theorize that the earth is flat because it's special. Thankfully, we didn't.

Do you have scientific proof of LACK of an existence of a deity?

This was explained a long time ago. Re: Proving a negative.

[Jikanu]

Perhaps there is a scientific way of proving it, but we have no sample. with all of those examples, there's a way to test your theories, but there's no way to examine God till after you're dead.

[Vasu]

So why do you believe it even though there's no proof, and no way of arriving at such a proof?

All these arguments you've put in are cop outs. I could say I was the first creator, and say that examinations on me will yield no result because I can do anything and will change the test result to my benefit.

[Jikanu]

there is proof, but nothing that is testable.

[Vasu]

Vasu, if he lets you choose but stops you from choosing wrong, it wouldnt be free will. it would be him making you do the right. we need to learn to be good on our own.

I just realised that I didn't reply to this bit. Yes, but he knows that out of the x number of people, y are going to learn, and gives them the chance, but he'll know that x-y people will never learn, so he may as well stop them.

there is proof, but nothing that is testable.

Let's examine your first argument again.

"God is the one special exception because he is the first creator."

Assumption 1: God is the first creator.

Assumption 2: First creators are exempt from the rule that everything needs a creator.

Care to back these up?

[Jikanu]

The same law applies to your "Big Bang" theory. It created everything, so what created that? it has just about sense to it as God does. There's some things we simply dont understand yet, so there's no real argument i can provide for that. it's like asking Mendel to prove genetics before he had a chance to test his theory.

And there is no good in the world without some bad. you cant have light without darkness. People have to make mistakes and learn to gain the want to use free will for good.

[Phantom Badger]

I have reaqd a few of the earlier pages and some people have been asking for proof that God exists.
Pretty soon there'll be proof he doesn't.
The Particle Accelerator.
When they eventually get it up and running, They will collide particles to try to create the 'Higgs Boson'
Also known as the 'God Particle'
This is the thing that apparantly gives us mass, that makes us here. So it proves that God didn't make us. Evolution has already disproven Adam and Eve although some people still believe it, Heaven in the skies above us was disproved when we went into space More and more holes are being poked in the mythical story.
I know someone is going to say it, "What about if Heaven is billions of lightyears away/another world ??"
The amount of energy that is needed to transport someone's ''Soul'' or ''spirit'' that far would be immense, how does ''God'' get this energy?

And people don't choose to be Gay. You can't choose your sexuality.

[pigspark]

this debate is getting hotter by the second sheesh

[Hraesvelg]

The same law applies to your "Big Bang" theory. It created everything, so what created that? it has just about sense to it as God does. There's some things we simply dont understand yet, so there's no real argument i can provide for that. it's like asking Mendel to prove genetics before he had a chance to test his theory..

But instead of saying "I don't understand yet..." and then trying to suss it out with the tools at hand (observation, reason) you tie it all up with a nice bow and say "God did it."