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**Lirange** · 02-27-2009, 12:26 AM

Well you would be killing something that will soon transform into a living being with a beating heart. And thats wrong.

And no, i'm not saying if we asked those babies, they would tell us they would want to live, i'm saying, in my state of mind, that if i suddenly had a choice to die or get borned into a family like hers, i would choose to get born and i'm sure they kids would choose the same. I'm sure when they grow up, they'll be glad their mom didnt kill them off.

And why not? We all need help. And if its something this big, then why not take help from people until their 18?

Yes its the tax payers money, but at least its used in a good way. And plus you have to pay tax anyways, her not having the babys isnt going to make the tax go away.

Yea she may be in alot of grief and sorrow, buts its her choice and maybe she did know about the coincidences. Maybe she did know how troublesome it woudl be but she truly belived that it isnt right to kill a baby.

**Ralath** · 02-27-2009, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Lirange

Well you would be killing something that will soon transform into a living being with a beating heart. And thats wrong.

The embryos weren't even fertilized naturally. They were fertilized in vitro. I really don't want to get into a discussion of when life begins because those tend to go nowhere. But I think there are some key words here:

"soon transform into a living being"

As in, it's not living yet.

And I agree with Hessah and what she said.

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And no, i'm not saying if we asked those babies, they would tell us they would want to live, i'm saying, in my state of mind, that if i suddenly had a choice to die or get borned into a family like hers, i would choose to get born and i'm sure they kids would choose the same. I'm sure when they grow up, they'll be glad their mom didnt kill them off.

That's not what I'm saying either. Obviously, no one is going to ask an embryo how they feel. I'm saying it's a completely pointless question because it's not one you're faced with. EVER. I can say the exact opposite and it wouldn't mean a thing.

Your argument is a slippery slope: It's ok for her to have 14 babies and not be responsible for them so how about I decide to have 100 babies and not be responsible for them? And it doesn't even have to be a large number. It could be ONE baby. How about hundreds of millions of people decide to have babies that they don't have the financial means to care for them?

**Hraesvelg** · 02-27-2009, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lirange

Well you would be killing something that will soon transform into a living being with a beating heart. And thats wrong.

I hope you can't vote yet. Just because something has the potential to become life, that doesn't mean stopping the process will kill it. If what you just said is true, last night I committed genocide that would make the Holocaust look like a tea party.

**Ralath** · 02-28-2009, 02:41 AM

They were fertilized in vitro. So yes, they were fertilized.

Jikanu · 02-28-2009, 02:43 AM

then it would be wrong to kill them. adoption would be ok, but i'm a total pro-lifer. abortion is nothing more than killing the baby. that's like saying "oh, it's living, with a heart beat, but it's in a womb, so go ahead, kill it 8D". i feel it's totally wrong.

those are just my values, though.

**Vasu** · 02-28-2009, 03:21 AM

Meh, I think abortion is better than giving the baby a life of poverty and suffering.

**Hessah** · 02-28-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

a chance at life is worth it. besides, you're all not taking into account the people who are gonna donate a crapload of money to her, even though she doesnt really deserve it.

Well, I don't know whether she "deserves" the money or not, but I'm sure the kids will NEED the money.. I'm just worried about whether she'll use the money that's donated to her properly.. seeing that she spent her worker comp on this and plastic surgery =/

Originally Posted by Vasu

Meh, I think abortion is better than giving the baby a life of poverty and suffering.

I 2nd that too.

**Ralath** · 02-28-2009, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

then it would be wrong to kill them. adoption would be ok, but i'm a total pro-lifer. abortion is nothing more than killing the baby. that's like saying "oh, it's living, with a heart beat, but it's in a womb, so go ahead, kill it 8D". i feel it's totally wrong.

Please.

I mean, seriously?

No one is going around saying, let's kill babies "8D".

**Lirange** · 02-28-2009, 03:47 AM

Its a personal opinion on what abortion is and isn't.
I'm also pro life and strongly disagree with abortion.
And there are lots of people who were born poor who become great people for this world.

**Ralath** · 02-28-2009, 03:54 AM

That's not how you judge though. You can't judge on the "potential" of someone. A lot of bad people have the "potential" to reform their ways and integrate safely back into society but we still lock them up into jail. It's easy to play what-if statements all day long.