Future Shop Items

**Blaaaaaaaah** · 10-19-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by MagesRequiem

Oh God... no! NO! NO!!! Its FlyFF all over again! Eff this. Once the Fiesta Store opens i'm quiting. I'm not going to be outdone by stupid bastards with too much money. Or spoiled rich kids. Besides, the entire game will be ruined once people begin purchasing stuff giving them unfair advantages over the rest of us who can't afford to spend on something like a game. I mean honestly, if you're going to make a game free to play then make it free to play! Not free to play and then get raped by everyone because you're too poor to afford our overpriced pieces of shit! /end rant

And I wonder how many companies are out there willing to making a game that is completely free with so many people employed working on the game? The only completely free game I can think of from the top of my head is Runescape - and look at the quality of the game.

Cash shop sucks when you can't buy stuff from it, but hey, you can't expect a company to make it completely free. Where are they going to get all the money from then? They have to pay the people who's working for them. I agree that FlyFF was a bit ruined with the cash shop items, but if Fiesta doesn't treat cash shop items like God, then it's not going to be that bad.

Free to play games with cash shop > p2p games. At least I still get to play the game. You will have to constantly fork money out for p2p games, whereas in a f2p game, you have the option to not spend money.

Of course, it's a bit unfair for those who can't buy them, but since when is the world fair? Dx

**Hessah** · 10-19-2007, 01:54 AM

yeah i guess it really depends on how they structure the cash shop.. i think FLyff went wild when the cost of Sprotects went bezzerk... it was 700k penya when i had 500k.. then by the time i had 700k it wasl ike 1.5mil or something.. i quit since then but i was told that it just went up and up and up...

and same thing could very possibility happen with Fiesta...

wonder wat would happen if you're not allow to vend cash shop items... so the benefits doesnt be passed as gold/silver/coppers coz otherwise the money side of the economy is stuffed keke...

and for once.. i'm not objecting to cash shop coz i can afford it XD (and to bribe blah on my side... i'll buy you something too yeah yeah?)

**Triumph** · 10-19-2007, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by MagesRequiem

Oh God... no! NO! NO!!! Its FlyFF all over again! Eff this. Once the Fiesta Store opens i'm quiting. I'm not going to be outdone by stupid bastards with too much money. Or spoiled rich kids. Besides, the entire game will be ruined once people begin purchasing stuff giving them unfair advantages over the rest of us who can't afford to spend on something like a game. I mean honestly, if you're going to make a game free to play then make it free to play! Not free to play and then get raped by everyone because you're too poor to afford our overpriced pieces of shit! /end rant

According to Outspark, the cash shop items won't impact the game much.

Yet, this is coming from a company that states the following:

Originally Posted by Outspark Terms and Conditions

OUTSPARK reserves the right to assume, at its sole expense, the exclusive defense and control of any matter subject to indemnification by you, in which event you will fully cooperate with OUTSPARK in asserting any available defenses.

MagesRequiem · 10-19-2007, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah

And I wonder how many companies are out there willing to making a game that is completely free with so many people employed working on the game? The only completely free game I can think of from the top of my head is Runescape - and look at the quality of the game.

Cash shop sucks when you can't buy stuff from it, but hey, you can't expect a company to make it completely free. Where are they going to get all the money from then? They have to pay the people who's working for them. I agree that FlyFF was a bit ruined with the cash shop items, but if Fiesta doesn't treat cash shop items like God, then it's not going to be that bad.

Free to play games with cash shop > p2p games. At least I still get to play the game. You will have to constantly fork money out for p2p games, whereas in a f2p game, you have the option to not spend money.

Of course, it's a bit unfair for those who can't buy them, but since when is the world fair? Dx

I can understand them wanting to make money. Thats no big deal. But a lot of them overprice their crap and not to mention some of the items have timers. If you're going to sell items to increase storage space and what not their should be no timer. I don't want to have to constantly buy something like that just for a little extra space. Besides, hundreds upon hundreds of people will be paying for their crap so whats the point in making a timer on certain items? To exploit us and take as much of our money away as possible? Yeah, I ain't buying into it.

Real life is unfair but why should our virtual lives be the same? Aren't we supposed to escape reality when playing these games or surfing the web? All they're doing is dragging us back into reality so they can earn as much money as possible from spoiled little brats.

**Hessah** · 10-19-2007, 02:21 AM

That's life, how about you get paid $2000 once as your salary, and coz there's no timer on it, that's all u'll get.

People are continuously working for our game, and so i guess it's only fair that they would want to put a timer on. Or often, games give you a choice to pay more for an indefinite item, or less for a period of time. Who knows, maybe you dont need that extra inventory space for more than a month, so you can get a discount for it.

Unfortunately your fantasy is costing other people's reality. There's no complete escape.

MagesRequiem · 10-19-2007, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Hessah

That's life, how about you get paid $2000 once as your salary, and coz there's no timer on it, that's all u'll get.

People are continuously working for our game, and so i guess it's only fair that they would want to put a timer on. Or often, games give you a choice to pay more for an indefinite item, or less for a period of time. Who knows, maybe you dont need that extra inventory space for more than a month, so you can get a discount for it.

Unfortunately your fantasy is costing other people's reality. There's no complete escape.

Not quite. There's probably over a thousand people playing on this game and even more people are continuously joining. And you gotta think, if a thousand people spend $5 on the game. Thats $5000. But thats only a thousand people and only about $5. More people than that are bound to spend plenty of money on multiple items. I'm pretty sure you don't need people spend $20 every month for some items that are very useful to those of us who stockpile materials and what not. See, thats where they get ya. They say its "free to play". But what happens when you need an item that has a timer on it? You have to pay again and again and again. So basically they've got a secret little way of turning "free to play" into "play to play".

Nike · 10-19-2007, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by MagesRequiem

Not quite. There's probably over a thousand people playing on this game and even more people are continuously joining. And you gotta think, if a thousand people spend $5 on the game. Thats $5000. But thats only a thousand people and only about $5. More people than that are bound to spend plenty of money on multiple items. I'm pretty sure you don't need people spend $20 every month for some items that are very useful to those of us who stockpile materials and what not. See, thats where they get ya. They say its "free to play". But what happens when you need an item that has a timer on it? You have to pay again and again and again. So basically they've got a secret little way of turning "free to play" into "play to play".

no one is making you buy the items so no, it is free to play
its your choice to pay for the items

**Loveless** · 10-19-2007, 02:59 AM

Again, they're not forcing you to pay again and again. It's really up to you in the end. You shouldn't exactly say crap about those spoiled kids or whatnot because they are helping you to keep the game f2p.

**Hessah** · 10-19-2007, 03:14 AM

do u know how much it cost to hire people?! actually this will be hard coz we're talking about difference currencies.. but there isnt a big diff btw AU$ and US$ so i guess its ok..

Take my company for example, we've got 12 people, and we're paying $40k a month to keep these people working. And most of us earn only average salaries. If you've got 1000 people playing, each person will need to spend $40 a month to just pay for the salaries of these people, and you've got rent, server cost, electricity and other overhead cost.. before you can start making profit.

AND not all 1000 will pay for the game so they probably need a population of 1500 players to break even... blah blah blah blah... too much assumptions, too much maths.

Just wanna let you know, you havent got one person working for this game, you've got a team of people, $5000 wont be enough to support a game for a month.

And as the others hv mentioned, you can still play for free. You can level, grind, go KQ, enhance weapons. They just gave you the extra option to enhance your playing experience if you're willing to fork out some cash.

MagesRequiem · 10-19-2007, 05:00 AM

Thats funny... you say it costs so much money to do this but how exactly are they paying for all of this now? Hm?