The bots disappeared?

Enrei · 10-14-2007, 06:38 PM

The bots won't be gone unless the GMs do something about it. Just do something like a vote to see if it's fair if they do something like raise the level limit to talk in general to 3. Whatever majority wins, they implement it. They should also do something about the people who use bots to train their characters while KSing other people who play normally. It's really.. really annoying having to try to train while a bunch of people who may or may not be bots themselves KS you over and over while you're trying to play. For example, the training bots in Vine Tomb with a party of 6 are something like that. They should figure out a way to block programs which train a person's character while they're away.

**Triumph** · 10-14-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Enrei

The bots won't be gone unless the GMs do something about it. Just do something like a vote to see if it's fair if they do something like raise the level limit to talk in general to 3. Whatever majority wins, they implement it. They should also do something about the people who use bots to train their characters while KSing other people who play normally. It's really.. really annoying having to try to train while a bunch of people who may or may not be bots themselves KS you over and over while you're trying to play. For example, the training bots in Vine Tomb with a party of 6 are something like that. They should figure out a way to block programs which train a person's character while they're away.

IP ban all Chinese IP's.

Yes, I am aware that I am being borderline racist, doubtlessly controversial. But it's the simple truth: 90% of gold farming sites are based in China. A few of them aren't bots, but are actual players who don't speak a single English word, and sit around all day farming "legitimately," if you will. I have seen them in person. Also, they have Shine Online. It may not be as good as Fiesta, but it is certainly a version of it, and is definitely more complete.

A large majority of the high level players don't really talk in game. When they do talk, it's in 中文, or what looks like random streams of gibberish for a large portion of Fiesta players. Some are courteous, some are not. And then there are the select few that seem to swing between courteous and not courteous by leaving your monsters alone for a few minutes, then suddenly pounding away and ksing for the next two hours.

A solution will never be flawless. A portion of the gaming community will be pissed at me for suggesting it, but is a solution, is it not? We will also lose a large portion of rares and those legit, honest players that retain English abilities.

Flame away if you choose.

**Hessah** · 10-15-2007, 12:58 AM

ok i'll try keep my flame light.... but that is generalising too much....

imagine being denied into a chinese resturant because you cant order in chinese?? its not a crime not being able to speak english...

i dont understand why people gets so upset just because you cant understand what they're saying... if they're trying to talk to u in some random language... fair enough...

but if they're just talking among themselves...?

welcome to the internet, it's world wide and please accept that english is not the only culture and language on this planet.

**Triumph** · 10-15-2007, 01:03 AM

Alright, to address each individual point.

Originally Posted by Hessah

imagine being denied into a chinese resturant because you cant order in chinese?? its not a crime not being able to speak english...

I am saying that the majority of gold farming sites are Chinese in origin. I have personally seen them myself, and to be honest, it's a lot of work on the GM and PR department to go through each account and check for legitimacy.

Originally Posted by Hessah

i dont understand why people gets so upset just because you cant understand what they're saying... if they're trying to talk to u in some random language... fair enough...

but if they're just talking among themselves...?

True, there is no problem.

Originally Posted by Hessah

welcome to the internet, it's world wide and please accept that english is not the only culture and language on this planet.

Ah, but I am very fluent in Chinese, as well as well-versed in Chinese culture.

To quote myself:

Originally Posted by Triumph

A large majority of the high level players don't really talk in game. When they do talk, it's in 中文, or what looks like random streams of gibberish for a large portion of Fiesta players. Some are courteous, some are not. And then there are the select few that seem to swing between courteous and not courteous by leaving your monsters alone for a few minutes, then suddenly pounding away and ksing for the next two hours.

I am stating that for many players, it looks like AE@@#$@^AE or something.

Zotius · 10-15-2007, 01:04 AM

Agreed. But I'm not sure that 90% of the bots are from china... o.0 I only can speak chinese. I can't read nor write chinese characters. And I'm chinese...

**Triumph** · 10-15-2007, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Zotius

Agreed. But I'm not sure that 90% of the bots are from china... o.0 I only can speak chinese. I can't read nor write chinese characters. And I'm chinese...

The 90% estimate was a broad estimate, lol. In reality it should be anywhere from 70-90% though. I simply picked the largest value for effect. X_X

**Hessah** · 10-15-2007, 01:26 AM

it just sounded like you dont like those chinese speaking people (or watever language other than english) and u're trying to prove that its ok to ban those normal players too coz they happen to live in a country that you estimated the bots to be in...

this is actually the first game that i've seen so many bots in.... in contrary to the point of this thread (but then again i dont play as many game as most of you, but i believe i've seen enough) And i doubt the way they target those bots are to ban an entire country...

the only time i've never heard a game ban the IP of the entire country, is when they opened up a new server for that country and wants people to move to it, to reduce lag....

**Triumph** · 10-15-2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Hessah

it just sounded like you dont like those chinese speaking people (or watever language other than english) and u're trying to prove that its ok to ban those normal players too coz they happen to live in a country that you estimated the bots to be in...

Not really, I'm just saying that for my particular solution to work, a blanket ban would probably be the only way...which is a pity for the legit players. I don't mind Chinese at all; I can read and write it.

Keep in mind I'm not advocating tis particular solution, just proposing it. There is always a possibility that a less drastic solution is available.

Originally Posted by Hessah

this is actually the first game that i've seen so many bots in.... (but then again i dont play as many game as most of you, but i believe i've seen enough) And i doubt the way they target those bots are to ban an entire country...

Well, in games such as World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy Online, they have active crews of GM's running around with the banhammer.

Ryoji · 10-15-2007, 01:08 AM

Alright well where I live (So-Cal) I can't go into a mexican restraunt or any fast food joint, that is unless I speak spanish. The people who work there don't speak english at all or if they do they always mess up your orders.

Now I don't believe they should be cut off from the game at all and if that did happen that would be unfair. I'm just trying to show that in "real life" it does actually happen.

I don't know what they can do but it needs to be something or else the economy will be really messed up.