should fighters add Spr

[Triumph]

Wrong forum.

And no.

A pure build always defeats a hybrid build.

However, one group of individuals will swear wholeheartedly that the 5% critical is worth more, despite hard calculations done by numerous people. I recall in the early days these calculations were both based on theoretical damage and accumulated experimental data.

Both proved that, for instance, at level 79, 94 STR > 69 STR/25 SPR.

The same applies for INT.

If you still doubt, ask yourself this:

Why else were all the first Legends of Isya pure builds?

[MikeyG]

A pure build always defeats a hybrid build.

ROFL, funny one.

[Triumph]

ROFL, funny one.

I have Excel spreadsheets, player testimonies, and conducted experiments.

You, on the other hand, only have your opinion and your donated cleric account.

Furthermore, interesting to note how Seva, Fireriot, Patchouli, StarLeona, and various other damage-dealing individuals were all pure builds.

But I suppose your opinion with no factual basis outweighs mine. After all, you hold a great and almighty level 78 cleric. I cannot compete.

[MikeyG]

Uhm i wasnt bragging about having a 78 cleric was i ? Its not
much anyways capped players and lvl 7x players arnt a dime a dozen these days. And i forsure couldnt compete with your many high lvls.
Im talking about experiance where i out damage pure int mages.
and can easily beat most pure builds in pvp. And maybe your
spreadsheets and experiments on a freaking game are correct about
other people, but not myself. Because i have compared with a pure int
mage at lvl 50 and 30. Both times i out dmged and would beat him in pvp
because of crits.

[Ivramire]

He was talking about how direct experience from playing multiple characters and computation backs up an opinion that he holds that happens to be in direct opposition to yours.


Before comparing Mages and Fighters with Pure Int/Str and their respective hybrids, I'd suggest you compare them in a situation that is not PvP as gameplay and class balance is different for PvE and PvP before you conclusively say that one is 'better' than the other. They both have their drawbacks and advantages.


Yes, it's already proven that pure Int/Str [consistently] outdamages hybrids in the long-run and yes, a hybrid will of course outdamage a pure-build
if the hits crit. I'm aware that Spr does more than just increase crit rate, but people are more concerned about the damage that floats up on their screens and thus the +5% crit rate is held most important.


When you talk about one sub-class (different builds) using PvP as a means to gauge their overall superiority over the other (Pure int/str versus hybrids)
you must be of course aware that damage is not the only factor. PvP between the people of the same class falls down to (Especially amongst Mages) skill cast order choice, timing, level and luck. Equips too of course.


In PvP, having a consistently high damage is nice, but what is also important in Fiesta's (admittedly somewhat cracked/broken) PvP is the unexpected critical hit. All characters and classes have stones that heals a set amount of HP with the number of stones held being the difference between classes.
PvP in Fiesta boils down to two people attacking each other until they either run out of stones or one leaves in disgust. This of course only happens when they're equally matched. Otherwise, one of them are either blown out of the water just because one is just that more Cash-Shopped than the other or nothing happens at all.... See Cleric on Cleric battles for this.


A timely critical hit in PvP is thus usually a good way to kill someone because a crit at an unexpected time blows their stone usage timing completely out of whack. This is of utmost importance especially to Mages, because if they use the right skills at the right times (Fear, Mana Burn, Stifle) with the full knowledge of how Fiesta PvP combat flow works, they're unstoppable.


So with that said, don't use PvP to compare builds. Such things as localized incidents and random chance (which is what critting essentially is) do happen and it is best to repeat trials to determine the supposed superiority of one build over the other.

[Grudger]

Love the work Ivramire. XD

[_JunShyr_*FTW*]

Ivramire is so precise :P
Spr ads a 0.2% to crit every skill point added until it reached 25 after this only 0.1% is added to crit rate. This is why most people stop as 25

My fighter is a tank but with prem sets i can easily crit so if you have the money for sc then dont worry so much about spr just buy something like my swimsuit with 12% crit
But otherwise maybe 25spr it and then maybe pure str and see how that works for u

Thats for a dd build aswell btw =/

[Ralath]

Why else were all the first Legends of Isya pure builds?

Bad correlation.

I don't see how a cleric with full STR is going to get to 79 faster than a cleric with 25 SPR and rest STR because people (cleric's especially) aren't soloing their way to 79.

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If cleric's aren't soloing, chances are someone else is doing the damage for them and then the STR is wasted since they're not attacking anything anyway.

[Ethelinde]

Bad correlation.

I don't see how a cleric with full STR is going to get to 79 faster than a cleric with 25 SPR and rest STR because people (cleric's especially) aren't soloing their way to 79.

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If cleric's aren't soloing, chances are someone else is doing the damage for them and then the STR is wasted since they're not attacking anything anyway.

Elfenlied solo'd her way to 79 with full STR, before the abyss and all the exp rates.

Omg double again... T_T