KS Question...

Eru · 06-03-2008, 12:29 AM

Okay, so we all hate KSers, but I ran across a situation the other night that I thought was interesting.

Usually when someone KSes me I'll say something like "don't KS pls!" At lower levels like 1x-low 2x, I would have to explain what KS meant about a third of the time (and I'm only lvl 32, so not exactly high).

Sometimes I've even asked ppl in my own pty to not KS others, and have even quit pty's that don't stop KSing others.

I've also read a couple times on the forums about how annoyed ppl get when someone asks to pty you and if/when you refuse they KS your mob. I have also experienced this.

However...

The other night I duo-ed with someone who was questing for Piggy Bats in Moonlight Tomb. I think there are only 3 or 4 on the map and they have a lower re-spawn rate. She KSed one, and I asked her not to KS other players. She responded by saying she invited the other person to the pty, and only KSed after he refused. I said something like "that doesn't make KSing ok" and she responded with something like "Its ok for rare/low-spawn monsters, and players should accept pty on them or expect to be KSed".

My first instinct was that this was still intrinsically wrong, but the more I thought about it, the more I could see her point.

So anyhow, my mind is not made up and I was hoping to start a discussion and read what everyone thought about this "special situation" KSing...

Thanks!

**Sero** · 06-03-2008, 12:39 AM

Ahh, yes some people do that for those monsters. Elite monsters have a lower spawn rate in maps, and it would be best for people who need the kill for quests [probably] to party up so they can all get the kill. Best decision, however some people don't go with it, that's why it happens. But kill stealing is still kill stealing.

**Hessah** · 06-03-2008, 01:14 AM

I still stand on your original point of view... I dont see how her justification is correct.

Yes, it may be a logical idea to party up and get 2 quests done at once, but that doesn't mean they have to. Maybe that guy is killing piggy bat hoping to get a T2 Vitality Recipe scroll instead of for quest, he wouldn't wanna kill the bats only to have it go into someone else's inventory.

I do not expect to be KSed just because I rejected a party invitation. In another words, I don't see how sending a party invitation gives you permission to KS someone...

If it's a rare/low spawn rate mob.. then you hang around for it to spawn...

You don't go and KS someone else's Zombie King just coz it's a low spawn rate mob...

First in, first served, if you're not there to get 1st hit, it's not yours. If you hit it, you're KSing.

Don't let her weird theory ruin your great morals!

**Blaaaaaaaah** · 06-03-2008, 01:20 AM

Elite mobs or not, kill stealing is ftl. Big no-no~ I hate finding piggy bats and I'd hate it if I spent a long time running around to get the few piggy bats I need, then have someone kill stealing me when I didn't do anything wrong.

So, it's really not okay~~~

**ThievingSix** · 06-03-2008, 02:34 AM

I've had multiple occasions while soloing mara and marlone where people tried to party me and then ks'd afterward(Still got the kill/drops). I didn't need it for the quest and I already had a full party.

Kill Stealing = Don't, ever.

**Spirit** · 06-03-2008, 03:11 AM

There is no justification for KSing. Even Ksing because they KS'ed you first is still wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. KSing is KSing, no matter what excuse you use.

**Loveless** · 06-03-2008, 03:13 AM

Kill stealing is kill stealing. You cannot justify it in any way.

I have refused multiple party invites while soloing and have been KS'd. As a full END Fighter what I can do is run around and collect mobs and come back near that person without Mocking. If that person decides to KS again those mobs will just go to him. :3

Yes, I'm partly evil.

**Hessah** · 06-03-2008, 03:18 AM

I believe the only time you can go and hit someone else's mob is when they're yelling "HELP!!!"

but when they ask for help, its not call KSing, so... yeah... still no valid reason to KS someone kekeke

**ThievingSix** · 06-03-2008, 04:14 AM

Usually, unless it's a mage or fighter(lower leveled mind you) I will pull mob's off of one person that isn't partied when he's being attacked by more than 2. If it's two I usually stun one or demoralize the group. So far I haven't been yelled at so I guess I am lucky.

Eru · 06-03-2008, 04:30 AM

Sounds good everyone... Its good to be validated

Originally Posted by ThievingSix

Usually, unless it's a mage or fighter(lower leveled mind you) I will pull mob's off of one person that isn't partied when he's being attacked by more than 2. If it's two I usually stun one or demoralize the group. So far I haven't been yelled at so I guess I am lucky.

First, quick side question:
Can u tell if someone is ptyed just by looking/targeting them somehow?

How does everyone see this situation described by T6?
I've occasionally attacked a second monster that was attacking someone else figuring I was being somewhere between helpful and not-annoying. While I realize this isn't exactly KSing is it still bad form?