Is +8 +9 possible without using eye ?

[booyah8876]

I got +8 after only 5 wep breaks... but then broke my +8 going to +9 first try.

=/

[Sero]

it is.. but before u get a +8, +9 u'll probably have to break 70 weapons before you get one...

Hmm...

Not entirely true for me, cause when I was level 20, I did my first enhancing ever on a level 15 bow. Got it to +8 quickly, with only 2 fails and 1 degrading. Didn't have to break anything ever, so I got it to +8 for the first time, without having to break anything ever before that. So it is only +9 that you'll have to go through a lot of breakage before it happens.

Off topic:
That was sad when I was foolish enough to go for +9 on the bow, it still had value in it... It had

Marlone Archer Destroyer
Marlone Megaton Destroyer
Marlone Fighter Destroyer

Such a big waste... Especially for Enraya since she helped me max the licenses when those monsters turned gray for me... *sniff*

[Hessah]

ah... the number i used was just a random guess...

Triumph's figure are probably more accurate...

[Sero]

Nah, I was just talkin' bout the +8 thing. Your figure may apply to +9-ing.

[Hessah]

yeah i think i generalised the two without knowing that there's such a big difference...

though it took me forever to get a lvl 8 weapoon to +7, i dont think i've ever gotten to +8.... (and i've enhanced a few.. maybe 20-30?)

I would like to think that u've been very lucky too...

[Sero]

I would like to think that u've been very lucky too...

~Yup, true. But I'd say it's only "first time" luck. After that time, I can't enhance for SH*T...

[viasta]

yes, I got a weapon to +8 before without dye, but failed and broke going at +9