Is +8 +9 possible without using eye ?

[Yosei]

Of course it is, just risky.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Yeap it is! Just that chances are really slim. Triumph made a post about enhancing weapons without eyes as well. I think he said he did +9 weapons, but he had to break a lot of weapons (can't find the post @-@).

[Hessah]

it is.. but before u get a +8, +9 u'll probably have to break 70 weapons before you get one...

[MaxOff]

It is theoretical possible, yes. But it is not practicaly applicable, no.

if u want to know your chance: ask enchanter how many times they usually fail using perfets, until the weapon becomes +9. Now square that value. And u have your odds.

the value should be not equal the real odds(fail <> break), but it should give u a good overview.

[Ivramire]

I do think that enhancing rate was lowered..

But yes, a few people got +9 before Cash Shopcame out so it's entirely possible.

[Sero]

it is.. but before u get a +8, +9 u'll probably have to break 70 weapons before you get one...

Hmm...

Not entirely true for me, cause when I was level 20, I did my first enhancing ever on a level 15 bow. Got it to +8 quickly, with only 2 fails and 1 degrading. Didn't have to break anything ever, so I got it to +8 for the first time, without having to break anything ever before that. So it is only +9 that you'll have to go through a lot of breakage before it happens.

Off topic:
That was sad when I was foolish enough to go for +9 on the bow, it still had value in it... It had

Marlone Archer Destroyer
Marlone Megaton Destroyer
Marlone Fighter Destroyer

Such a big waste... Especially for Enraya since she helped me max the licenses when those monsters turned gray for me... *sniff*

[Hessah]

ah... the number i used was just a random guess...

Triumph's figure are probably more accurate...

[Sero]

Nah, I was just talkin' bout the +8 thing. Your figure may apply to +9-ing.

[Hessah]

yeah i think i generalised the two without knowing that there's such a big difference...

though it took me forever to get a lvl 8 weapoon to +7, i dont think i've ever gotten to +8.... (and i've enhanced a few.. maybe 20-30?)

I would like to think that u've been very lucky too...

[secbro20]

Yeap it is! Just that chances are really slim. Triumph made a post about enhancing weapons without eyes as well. I think he said he did +9 weapons, but he had to break a lot of weapons (can't find the post @-@).

he said he went through 270 something before he got +9 lvl 30 weapon. Might have been 300.

EDIT: Here is a quote from Triumph:

It can be done.

I broke 293 level 30 2h swords before I got a +9. I was testing the success rate of T2 compared to T1, and I broke 208 level 1 swords before I got a +9.

In other words, your statistical chances of succeeding are low, but not zero.