Event Horizon

[rokaraged]

Dont worry about the events the economy will stabilize in time.

Stabilize? Do you really know how long thats going to take?...even with more upcoming events?.. The money gap between alot of people is pretty HUGE. I agree the drop rates are s**t but its the base of the whole economy where the economy starts off from. People who have gold pieces now would not have been able to have one without events/gm intervention which leaves the people who could not come to the events in the dust...economically wise.

You say the gms are helping the economy? All they've done is give out really is throw excess silvers thats it. Theres alot of people who have 500s silvers and have NOTHING to spend it on except on production skill training. Once more rares spawn and start entering the economy inflation is going to hit HARD. Its already taken a turn...
Example : Before the 5x event blessed elrues t2 i would pay at most 2silvers a piece..now i hardly find any at 6silvers.

Lets face it, in order to make a living in closed beta fiesta, you don't have to pick up drop or sell fancy rares, you just have to farm gm Events until inflation makes the money gotten from there worthless too. If there ever is a treasurebox rain event again i hope not...

The events are not only killing the economy, but also making thier jobs harder. Events are made for fun not for profit. I feel sad for them because whenever they do a dark forces event, theres also a few bumbling idiots screaming "OMGZ TIS EVENT SUX NO TREASURE BOXEZ."

This isn't the first time they did treasure rain. A few days before the event they did an unannounced treasure rain again in elderine...


And for the record: the gms have left hints to wiping.

[Dynamics]

I'd just like to ask how a server wipe could really benefit the economy? I suppose it's just an attachment to my character creating bias, but I feel completely wiping an unstable economy won't fix it at all. Like many have said before me, it'll just take time for the sudden economy fluxes to settle down. I don't think there is any other resolution other then to wait and hope that the GM's don't fluctuate the economy again.

On another note, restarting my character with a few hundred others ksing my slimes has next to zero appeal .___.

[Pritcher]

Well a wipe would just clear all the clutter out and let it start fresh and hopefully build itself up at a natural rate. As far as the wipe goes, I'm 99% sure it's going to happen. I think I remember Kezzerdrix posting that pretty clearly once, but I'm not going to bother looking for the post. Could be wrong, but most (all?) games wipe after closed beta.

[Dynamics]

A wipe would be such a shame, I've grown quite fond of my archer, and I'm sure many others have attachments to their own characters too. I feel it'd be the better choice to leave Teva as it is and open Apoline in mark of the Open Beta (of which both would receive equal access). Besides, even if the GM's were to wipe the economy, who's to say they won't inadvertently screw it all up again? The GM's are active on the servers, but they're hardly aware of the economic imbalances they've created.

Oh well, I suppose we have no choice but to wait until more reliable sources come about.

[rokaraged]

We've all grown close to our characters but still.

1. it would be UNFAIR to the people who could not join during the closed beta. It gives closed beta testers a HUGE head start.
2. as stated before it gives a fresh start to the economy. The gms could care less about the economy since its most likely going to wipe
3. They are possible bugs, glitches, and exploits that are found in closed betas. that people could abuse for self gain. IE. in cb1 there was an abuse that allowed people in refining to save thier item from breaking or downgrading.

[Dynamics]

"1. it would be UNFAIR to the people who could not join during the closed beta. It gives closed beta testers a HUGE head start."

I don't know what's wrong with the closed beta people having the level advantage over open beta players, level doesn't affect anyone in this game to be honest. A server wipe would only screw up the pretty good communities I see at present.

"2. as stated before it gives a fresh start to the economy. The gms could care less about the economy since its most likely going to wipe"

Sort of oxymoronic in a way. If the GM's don't care about economy now, why would they give a damn later? If you were to ask any GM now what they think about the economy, they wouldn't be able to give answers half as detailed as the posters on this thread could.

"3. They are possible bugs, glitches, and exploits that are found in closed betas. that people could abuse for self gain. IE. in cb1 there was an abuse that allowed people in refining to save thier item from breaking or downgrading."

Yeah, but characters can still be retained over patches. That's why we were still able to play our CB1 characters despite the conversion from the Closed Beta 1 to Closed Beta 2. Right now the GM's have a choice to keep everyone or to completely wipe the server. Personally I'd say keeping everyone's characters isn't too bad an idea, as we all have our attachments, and have developed somewhat close bonds with other players. Wiping the server is a quick fix for the economy, but it'll inevitably destabilise again. Why not just keep the current player's characters and community stable at least?

[rokaraged]

"levels don't affect anyone in this game"
You have GOT to be kidding me.

90% of all closed betas wipe. Most people who joined the closed beta knew about the posibility of a wipe. Yes there will be numbers of people quitting, but if people really enjoy the game the communities will still remain intact.


Really... I doubt they intend to mess up the economy again? Or launch a game with such messed up economy already? Its called closed beta where mistakes and events like this are possible because it is only temporary

[Dynamics]

@ rokaraged

Well, firstly, I don't think you fully understood the point I was trying to get across. If you entered Fiesta as a newbie, and knew that there were already people at level 5x, would that change your gaming experience in any way? I highly doubt it. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, at least write something with logic/reasoning behind it. Simply saying "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" isn't suffice.

"90% of closed betas wipe"

I'd like to see the source for this statistic.

[Ash]

In pretty much any game, there's always going to be someone who has an advantage over you, unless you're the sort of person who gets into all the closed betas and you have the time to learn about all the mechanics in the game.
About the events, I guess they won't be held so often once OB is out anyway, so it shouldn't matter much.

[rokaraged]

@ rokaraged

Well, firstly, I don't think you fully understood the point I was trying to get across. If you entered Fiesta as a newbie, and knew that there were already people at level 5x, would that change your gaming experience in any way? I highly doubt it. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, at least write something with logic/reasoning behind it. Simply saying "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" isn't suffice.

"90% of closed betas wipe"

I'd like to see the source for this statistic.

Alright i will...
Competively the newbie will be left in the dust. If he wants to particpate competively in things such as Guild wars and high level Pvp, he'll have to out grind the headstart several months the closed beta players had, because he could not get into closed beta. WHile a few will argue that competitiveness is not the main part of mmos, there are quite a few of us who want to enjoy the game knowing that no one had an headstart advantage over us that we could not take advantage of. I of course am in the closed beta and alot to lose, but i just want to see a fair clean slate when OB rolls around.

Name a few closed betas that didn't wipe and i'll name a few hundred that did.