Ugh.

**A_Forever** · 01-22-2010, 07:35 PM

Its not my fault. Its how my brain is. And teachers at my school don't have time to tutor. LOL

Not sure what you are talking about. I study outside of class when I need to. For tests and such. This year, I haven't had to study for my tests. Other than one test, I have gotten A's on all of my Adv Alg tests. I'm serious, its because of the teachers teaching style.

7th-9th grade, the teachers were crap and I worked my ass off to learn it at home with the help of my dad and brother. But my dad works and my brother has his own life, they can't spend it helping me on math. Got a D in 7th and an F in 8th. Then in 9th, I finally passed Alg with a B- -ish

**MikeyG** · 01-22-2010, 07:38 PM

Teachers at 95% of schools don't have time to tutor, you look into student ones. I have trouble with math to but it really is just about the effort you put into learning about it..

**A_Forever** · 01-22-2010, 07:42 PM

Who would pay for my tutoring? :/

And this "rant" isn't just about the math. Its the history thing too. I would be wasting about 3wks-1mth just sitting in there. I am not retaking a test I've already taken and stuff. I am not taking more notes on what I have already learned @_@

And the double blocking of English has screwed me over. If I weren't double blocked, I'd have the open space for another elective. If I had that space.. I'd have the correct schedule.

**MikeyG** · 01-22-2010, 07:52 PM

I've never heard of student or friend tutors that charge.

And then if thats your only problem, this whole thing should be fixed by a simple visit to the school counselor?

**Triumph** · 01-22-2010, 07:55 PM

Core material is standardized all the way up to multivariable calculus. You do not need a teacher until you hit mathematical logic, time series, advanced geometry, Bayesian inference, etc. And even at that point, a teacher helps, but if you spend time reading the textbook, you can learn it all easily.

"Learning styles" is subject to question. The brain is not wired so that it can only learn from one style. Repetition will always work. I guarantee if you sit there and read the book for 8 hours a day, you'll understand everything perfectly. Now, the problem is the 8 hour part.

Plus, it's not like they're asking you to solve a Millennium Prize problem...

**A_Forever** · 01-22-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by MikeyG

I've never heard of student or friend tutors that charge.

And then if thats your only problem, this whole thing should be fixed by a simple visit to the school counselor?

I don't know anyone that would take time out of their schedule to tutor me for free. On anything. Lmao.

I don't really know anyone who is free to even do that.

Originally Posted by Triumph

Core material is standardized all the way up to multivariable calculus. You do not need a teacher until you hit mathematical logic, time series, advanced geometry, Bayesian inference, etc. And even at that point, a teacher helps, but if you spend time reading the textbook, you can learn it all easily.

"Learning styles" is subject to question. The brain is not wired so that it can only learn from one style. Repetition will always work. I guarantee if you sit there and read the book for 8 hours a day, you'll understand everything perfectly. Now, the problem is the 8 hour part.

Plus, it's not like they're asking you to solve a Millennium Prize problem...

This is how I am. I honestly can't change it. I struggle with math, always have and probably always will. The book actually doesn't help me. When we had a sub in my Adv Alg class for like a week, I got a low C to F on those 2-3 assignments because we were working out of the book. I didn't get anything and everyone else did.

When the teacher got back, he went over it all with us (He doesn't use the book) and just like that *snaps fingers*, I got it. I can't explain it and I can't really change how I think.

Also.. I scored a B on my midterm today. It took me all hour, up till the last minute(literally) to get it done. I had to rush at the end. I had notes too and I still scored a B. I had notes for chemistry and got over 100%. But oh no, I get a B for math even with notes.

Bombed my Geo test though.. with notes too..

**Hraesvelg** · 01-22-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Triumph

Core material is standardized all the way up to multivariable calculus. You do not need a teacher until you hit mathematical logic, time series, advanced geometry, Bayesian inference, etc. And even at that point, a teacher helps, but if you spend time reading the textbook, you can learn it all easily.

"Learning styles" is subject to question. The brain is not wired so that it can only learn from one style. Repetition will always work. I guarantee if you sit there and read the book for 8 hours a day, you'll understand everything perfectly. Now, the problem is the 8 hour part.

Plus, it's not like they're asking you to solve a Millennium Prize problem...

Liz isn't wired like we are, Triumph. Some people really do need material presented in a certain way in order to really grasp the principles behind it. High school textbooks are terrible at conveying actual information. Hell, the fact that you think reading a textbook about Bayesian inference is enough to "easily" learn it shows you're not like most people. Stats is a pain in the ass to the vast majority of the population.

I can learn a lot from a book, and now with the internet the sky is the limit. I'm almost glad I didn't have this access in high school. I would have NEVER gotten laid were I reading wiki all day. Some people just can't work like that. They need to hear the words, ask questions, have material presented differently....

**Triumph** · 01-22-2010, 10:52 PM

Ah, I know that my post wasn't addressing her original point, and that we're going off on a tangent, but there's something that I must address:

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

Liz isn't wired like we are, Triumph. Some people really do need material presented in a certain way in order to really grasp the principles behind it.

I don't learn best from a textbook either. Asking questions doesn't cut it, classroom interaction doesn't make a marked effect. I, in fact, learn best when I teach the material to someone else.

Finding a willing subject to impart knowledge upon is rare, which is why I have to spend most of my time reading textbooks. This brings me to my original point; enough repetitive practice, however boring, will always work.

This will also explain my habit of running around answering questions.

However, I still remain unconvinced that others need "material presented in a certain way to really grasp the principles behind it." I've observed that regardless of learning style, people will nevertheless learn respectable amounts by textbook. Cramming is an example, where people retain information despite their preferred method of study. The "learning styles" concept (Kolb's model?) is now subject to increasing amounts of criticism.

Maybe it's the pressure to get the A or B. I'm not sure. But the only fault I note in my own argument is that my observations have been clustered around people who have all gone to prestigious private universities.

**Hraesvelg** · 01-22-2010, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Triumph

Maybe it's the pressure to get the A or B. I'm not sure. But the only fault I note in my own argument is that my observations have been clustered around people who have all gone to prestigious private universities.

I think we might have hit the nail on the head, here. In your ivory tower world, things work a little differently.

At least you don't seem to be an insufferable prat, which is my experience with those people who have gone to prestigious private universities.

**Triumph** · 01-22-2010, 11:03 PM

The school I attend actually has less academic elitism than others. I've visited some campuses where everyone thinks they're a divine descendant.

Pressure for good grades works in all academic institutions, you won't have people shooting for Fs.

And I'm more of the prat who likes to deflate egos. Some equate this to trolling, but there's a delicate difference.