Deity Existence

[Aidan]

So he can't make a stone too heavy that he can't lift it, right?


So would you like for me to bring them up now?

Such a situation can be compared to AI programming.

You can program any AI and create a virtual world as you desire. You are all-powerful in this virtual world. Though a renegade AI that is left uncontrolled could cause problems. You COULD create an AI that even YOU couldn't control, but why would you want to?

[Manzcar]

So he can't make a stone too heavy that he can't lift it, right?


So would you like for me to bring them up now?

Isn't this like the whole proving a negative? just wondering. Because being all powerful would mean that he could do anything, but you are asking God to do a negative. I.e. you are asking God to prove a negative, which you have already stated can't be done and therefor are illogical. So isn't this line of questioning than illogical??

Just asking.

[Vasu]

No, I am asking god to make a stone so heavy, that even he cannot lift it. I am not asking him to prove anything. "Do a negative" is meaningless.

[Jikanu]

but God can lift anything, regardless of weight. So you're asking him to be nonsensical.

And no, there's no need to go into individual religions. This was meant as a discussion on whether or not Deity(s) exist.

[Manzcar]

But you are asking for proof of His power correct?

You are asking Him to prove that He is all Powerful. So Powerful in fact that He could create something so heavy that He can't lift it. But if it was so heavy that he can't lift it than he isn't all powerful and if He is unable to create it than again He isn't all powerful.

So you are looking for proof that He is all powerful by showing that He isn't all powerful.

Which is illogical. Prove you are a man by proving you are a woman.

[Vasu]

No see, I think you guys have misunderstood me.

I do not want him to prove he is all powerful. I want to show that no being can be all powerful.


As an example of a contradiction for an all powerful being, I can pose this question.


Can an all powerful, omnipotent being make a stone so heavy, that even the being itself cannot lift it?

If yes, the being is not omnipotent, if no, it still isn't omnipotent.

[Jikanu]

but what if what you're asking defies the very nature of the divine being? God is able to lift everything, so your question is paradoxical, since even an infinitely heavy stone is liftable by God.

[Manzcar]

So if you are not wanting Him to prove He is all Powerful you are wanting Him to prove He is not all powerful.

Which is again proving a negative.

[Vasu]

but what if what you're asking defies the very nature of the divine being? God is able to lift everything, so your question is paradoxical, since even an infinitely heavy stone is liftable by God.

So, God cannot make stone too heavy for him correct? And it only goes against the nature of omnipotent beings, and here I am proving that absolute omnipotence is impossible.

So if you are not wanting Him to prove He is all Powerful you are wanting Him to prove He is not all powerful.

Which is again proving a negative.

I do not want him to prove anything. I am trying to show that a being cannot be all powerful.

[Manzcar]

So, God cannot make stone too heavy for him correct? And it only goes against the nature of omnipotent beings, and here I am proving that absolute omnipotence is impossible.




I do not want him to prove anything. I am trying to show that a being cannot be all powerful.

So what you are saying is that this Question is not about God proving anything to you, but is about you proving to yourself that there is no God. You use the world’s limited knowledge and understanding of not only the physical and natural but also the spiritual and with this limited knowledge and understanding have concluded that no entity can be all powerful because they can not make a stone heavy enough that they are unable to lift it.

Does that about sum it up?