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You said, "I think I'm gonna just stop posting", so I told you to go ahead because I think I know why.
In fact you are the one who is making this debate kind of "circular". Because you don't reply to the full post, not just this time, but multiple times in the thread (I can quote them if you like), when I raise the issues you didn't respond to again, you feel I'm bringing up the old argument and using "circular" logic.
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We ran to the sounds of thunder
We danced among the lightning bolts
And tore the world asunder
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