KS Question...
 

Okay, so we all hate KSers, but I ran across a situation the other night that I thought was interesting.

Usually when someone KSes me I'll say something like "don't KS pls!" At lower levels like 1x-low 2x, I would have to explain what KS meant about a third of the time (and I'm only lvl 32, so not exactly high).

Sometimes I've even asked ppl in my own pty to not KS others, and have even quit pty's that don't stop KSing others.

I've also read a couple times on the forums about how annoyed ppl get when someone asks to pty you and if/when you refuse they KS your mob. I have also experienced this.

However...

The other night I duo-ed with someone who was questing for Piggy Bats in Moonlight Tomb. I think there are only 3 or 4 on the map and they have a lower re-spawn rate. She KSed one, and I asked her not to KS other players. She responded by saying she invited the other person to the pty, and only KSed after he refused. I said something like "that doesn't make KSing ok" and she responded with something like "Its ok for rare/low-spawn monsters, and players should accept pty on them or expect to be KSed".

My first instinct was that this was still intrinsically wrong, but the more I thought about it, the more I could see her point.

So anyhow, my mind is not made up and I was hoping to start a discussion and read what everyone thought about this "special situation" KSing...

Thanks!

Ahh, yes some people do that for those monsters. Elite monsters have a lower spawn rate in maps, and it would be best for people who need the kill for quests [probably] to party up so they can all get the kill. Best decision, however some people don't go with it, that's why it happens. But kill stealing is still kill stealing.

I still stand on your original point of view... I dont see how her justification is correct.

Yes, it may be a logical idea to party up and get 2 quests done at once, but that doesn't mean they have to. Maybe that guy is killing piggy bat hoping to get a T2 Vitality Recipe scroll instead of for quest, he wouldn't wanna kill the bats only to have it go into someone else's inventory.

I do not expect to be KSed just because I rejected a party invitation. In another words, I don't see how sending a party invitation gives you permission to KS someone...

If it's a rare/low spawn rate mob.. then you hang around for it to spawn...

You don't go and KS someone else's Zombie King just coz it's a low spawn rate mob...

First in, first served, if you're not there to get 1st hit, it's not yours. If you hit it, you're KSing.

Don't let her weird theory ruin your great morals!

Elite mobs or not, kill stealing is ftl. Big no-no~ I hate finding piggy bats and I'd hate it if I spent a long time running around to get the few piggy bats I need, then have someone kill stealing me when I didn't do anything wrong.

So, it's really not okay~~~

I've had multiple occasions while soloing mara and marlone where people tried to party me and then ks'd afterward(Still got the kill/drops). I didn't need it for the quest and I already had a full party.

Kill Stealing = Don't, ever.

There is no justification for KSing. Even Ksing because they KS'ed you first is still wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right. KSing is KSing, no matter what excuse you use.

I believe the only time you can go and hit someone else's mob is when they're yelling "HELP!!!" :D but when they ask for help, its not call KSing, so... yeah... still no valid reason to KS someone kekeke

Usually, unless it's a mage or fighter(lower leveled mind you) I will pull mob's off of one person that isn't partied when he's being attacked by more than 2. If it's two I usually stun one or demoralize the group. So far I haven't been yelled at so I guess I am lucky.

Sounds good everyone... Its good to be validated :D

First, quick side question:
Can u tell if someone is ptyed just by looking/targeting them somehow?

How does everyone see this situation described by T6?
I've occasionally attacked a second monster that was attacking someone else figuring I was being somewhere between helpful and not-annoying. While I realize this isn't exactly KSing is it still bad form?

Usually i dont touch anyone's mob unless they ask for help.. but being a cleric, if i suspect that they're in trouble i just heal them...

but if i was any other class... i usually just stand on the side, ask if they need help (which sometimes can be ironic coz they're probably too busy to type yes but anyway)... I always check... if they die then.. well... that's their fault for not doing a runner LOL

yeah new players need to be cautious that they're not dragging a train for an AOE party..

Well, if a guy is attacking 2 mobs, and he/she's been attacking them for quite some time, then I wouldn't pull away the monster, because he's been taking damage form the monster and deserves to get the exp and drops from he monster. If he's just pulled more than he can handle, I'll pulll away the aggro.

KSing is like this.

Your foot is dirty, and you're gonna wash it at the only watering hose in the village. You're washing your foot, and someone just puts his/her foot above yours and washes theirs, getting all the water for him/herself while leaving a little to none for you.

Or, another example.

You're Q-ing up to buy lunch in school, and when you're about to place your order, someone just comes in and cuts your Q, ordering first.

No matter what, KSing is NEVER a good thing.

on my mage i was in cp testing out ice blast and i see a lvl 3x fighter running away from a koll and ogre so i hit the ogre that she hasnt hit yet
to get it off cuz she looked like she needded help then she started
to constant ks me, i replied with a " dun ks nub=.=" then shes like stay here
your dead. The person ends up being SnipShot who ive never heard of before
but is a 7x archer... So he wants to fight me i said of course youll own me im a 51 mage, so i hop on zukiz... lvl 78 cleric great gear almost all +9s and i want to fight him in pvp , he mouths of some ppl in vendetta says I am a nub and i am an unknown cleric which is pathetic and then when i tell him to meet me in eld pvp with rzpect his answer is " i have guild war" and he logs out. i found it so funny that he talked so much smack and then ran... me and rz wanted to pwn him to o.0

Ahh SnipShot level 66. And the fighter GirlSlide. Unfortunate incident it must've been =\

Err in her mind it may be right... but to me... i think she may just me ignorant and had nothing better to do than get on peoples nerves... i often get KSers on my kills... i just tend to tell them to bug off.. and if they dont respond i report to GM as a bot :)

I agree most of what Hessah said, so I quoted a bunch of stuff ^^ I hope you don't mind :P
If I wrote something, I'd be repeating everything she said :P

I know this isn't KS but, I also don't like when someone kills mobs attacking me. I'm a cleric and I can take on a number at a time, but people will pick off ones that I'm not attacking at them moment. I feel it is just as bad because I am taking the damage for it, then it is as good as me attacking it.

what do you think, what do we call that Mob Steal MS??

It doesn't make it "right".
She should have not assumed her position as her point of view is above yours and asked if she could party.
I mean seriously, what's up with people's manners nowadays?

Lol dun care really about that archer all i can say is he/she
was a fucking fag. Ksed a shit load of my mobs cuz i thought i
helped his fighter? fucking douche.