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I started to write this in response to what rokaraged said in this thread when asked the value of something. I thought it was a little too off the OP's topic though so I made a new thread.


I agree and I actually really hope they don't plan on doing these events like this once the game goes public; or at least not to such a degree. I always assumed it was just a beta thing. They're fun and all but I would rather have a functioning economy in the long run.

Any of you GM groupies know what they're planning for events in OB and beyond?

I wouldn't want them to completely do away with all the events because they can be fun to participate in. I do think, though, that the rewards will need to be seriously reduced because they're basically flooding the world with free money outta nowhere which completely destabilizes the economy.

im good friends with iceman and he said that they were gonna do a lot of events

i think i heard they were gonna do events with small lvl ranges so theres not as much crowd

OMG someone agreed with me and thought i said something INTELLIGENT!!!
In your Face EVERYONE in Oblivion.:D


Anyway theirs OBVIOUSLY going to wipe closed beta. Open beta will have events but i doubt they won't occur daily like before. The rewards also will also most likely NOT BE mass treasure box spamming. They'll be alot more careful.

There also will NEVER BE AGAIN a 5x rate event with Treasurebox rain

Yeah, I'm sure there's a wipe from cb to ob and that'll fix everything. I was curious if they were planning to drop the events altogether or not and if they're still doing them what sort of rewards will they be offering?

People would still probably participate in events even with no real valuable reward. Maybe they could give mass temporary buffs to the participants or something like that instead, so they still get something out of participating beyond simply the fun of doing it. I guess we'll see how it all pans out.

C'mon are events made for fun?

Or just to give out 500 silvers?

Well it isn't fun when a lvl 1 get's something it took you days to get D:

If that's sarcasm lol

But then again, I guess GMs would have to give out some valuable prizes from the events, or else no one would bother going and that would make them look pretty sad. Of course, I'm not saying they should drop pets everywhere in Open Beta, but there should be one or two events with nice expensive prizes for a few people (not the whole community).

I'm wondering if they're going to make pets a cash shop thing though? Because if they are, they will probably not drop CS stuff everywhere and giving them out like there's no tomorrow anyway, haha!

lol says who?? I guarantee I talk to the gms way more then you do and they have never mentioned anything like this. Besides that treasure box event didnt last the whole 7 hrs they only spwned constantly for maybe the first 1 hr or so. As for the mass treasure box spamming theres nothing wrong with it. The economy is ALREADY terrible an seriously needs some items to be onthe market like unique armors/ weapons etc etc since the drop rate is bad for now the only way that this can happen is through the events.

The economy was/is shitty to began with so events actually puttin money into the game is not bad a thing. Like I've said since the drop rate is terrible as coppers an silver DONT drop from mobs. This is the only way they can help move the economy along. Even though a former GM whos name doesnt need to be mentioned handed out Gold to certain people which jus farther helped to make the economy fail along with the influx of CB2 testers pricing items at extremely high prices. Dont worry about the events the economy will stabilize in time.:cool:

I think the economy will ultimately stabilize either way. No matter how odd and unnecessarily complicated it ends up, game economies always seem to find their own strange balances.

I know the events stimulate the economy, I'm just saying I don't think it's the best way to go about doing that. It's like an adrenaline shot in the heart rather than subtle stimulation and steady growth. I don't really think its the best foundation for the economy. Too unpredictable and too unstable. If it's a matter of poor drops then fix that, don't just compensate by handing out free money. That's like putting on deodorant to cover up your stink instead of taking a shower.

Basically, a few people make a lot in a short amount of time. When people make so much money in so little time they spend it recklessly and that causes inflation. People charge such high prices for things because people still buy them and those people can afford to buy them at ridiculously high prices because they've just gotten so much silver from events.

And then as the fortunes made by a few during the events, and the few who jacked up the prices for a while right after filter out into the economy, prices drop to a more reasonable rate and things settle down and then BAM! new event and its all over the place again and nobody whats worth what and people just guess and other people just go by their guesses and its a big ass mess. It's messing with the natural progression.

pumping money into the system wont stabilize it. time will.
the droprates are the same for everyone. events arent. which one might hurt the stability? :)

true, true. if its left in peace for a while, it will stabilize

anyhow. CB economy doesnt really matters (wipe).
events are great so i hope we will see some in open beta as well. really enjoyed some of them.

Stabilize? Do you really know how long thats going to take?...even with more upcoming events?.. The money gap between alot of people is pretty HUGE. I agree the drop rates are s**t but its the base of the whole economy where the economy starts off from. People who have gold pieces now would not have been able to have one without events/gm intervention which leaves the people who could not come to the events in the dust...economically wise.

You say the gms are helping the economy? All they've done is give out really is throw excess silvers thats it. Theres alot of people who have 500s silvers and have NOTHING to spend it on except on production skill training. Once more rares spawn and start entering the economy inflation is going to hit HARD. Its already taken a turn...
Example : Before the 5x event blessed elrues t2 i would pay at most 2silvers a piece..now i hardly find any at 6silvers.

Lets face it, in order to make a living in closed beta fiesta, you don't have to pick up drop or sell fancy rares, you just have to farm gm Events until inflation makes the money gotten from there worthless too. If there ever is a treasurebox rain event again i hope not...

The events are not only killing the economy, but also making thier jobs harder. Events are made for fun not for profit. I feel sad for them because whenever they do a dark forces event, theres also a few bumbling idiots screaming "OMGZ TIS EVENT SUX NO TREASURE BOXEZ."

This isn't the first time they did treasure rain. A few days before the event they did an unannounced treasure rain again in elderine...


And for the record: the gms have left hints to wiping.

I'd just like to ask how a server wipe could really benefit the economy? I suppose it's just an attachment to my character creating bias, but I feel completely wiping an unstable economy won't fix it at all. Like many have said before me, it'll just take time for the sudden economy fluxes to settle down. I don't think there is any other resolution other then to wait and hope that the GM's don't fluctuate the economy again.

On another note, restarting my character with a few hundred others ksing my slimes has next to zero appeal .___.

Well a wipe would just clear all the clutter out and let it start fresh and hopefully build itself up at a natural rate. As far as the wipe goes, I'm 99% sure it's going to happen. I think I remember Kezzerdrix posting that pretty clearly once, but I'm not going to bother looking for the post. Could be wrong, but most (all?) games wipe after closed beta.

A wipe would be such a shame, I've grown quite fond of my archer, and I'm sure many others have attachments to their own characters too. I feel it'd be the better choice to leave Teva as it is and open Apoline in mark of the Open Beta (of which both would receive equal access). Besides, even if the GM's were to wipe the economy, who's to say they won't inadvertently screw it all up again? The GM's are active on the servers, but they're hardly aware of the economic imbalances they've created.

Oh well, I suppose we have no choice but to wait until more reliable sources come about.

We've all grown close to our characters but still.

1. it would be UNFAIR to the people who could not join during the closed beta. It gives closed beta testers a HUGE head start.
2. as stated before it gives a fresh start to the economy. The gms could care less about the economy since its most likely going to wipe
3. They are possible bugs, glitches, and exploits that are found in closed betas. that people could abuse for self gain. IE. in cb1 there was an abuse that allowed people in refining to save thier item from breaking or downgrading.

"1. it would be UNFAIR to the people who could not join during the closed beta. It gives closed beta testers a HUGE head start."

I don't know what's wrong with the closed beta people having the level advantage over open beta players, level doesn't affect anyone in this game to be honest. A server wipe would only screw up the pretty good communities I see at present.

"2. as stated before it gives a fresh start to the economy. The gms could care less about the economy since its most likely going to wipe"

Sort of oxymoronic in a way. If the GM's don't care about economy now, why would they give a damn later? If you were to ask any GM now what they think about the economy, they wouldn't be able to give answers half as detailed as the posters on this thread could.

"3. They are possible bugs, glitches, and exploits that are found in closed betas. that people could abuse for self gain. IE. in cb1 there was an abuse that allowed people in refining to save thier item from breaking or downgrading."

Yeah, but characters can still be retained over patches. That's why we were still able to play our CB1 characters despite the conversion from the Closed Beta 1 to Closed Beta 2. Right now the GM's have a choice to keep everyone or to completely wipe the server. Personally I'd say keeping everyone's characters isn't too bad an idea, as we all have our attachments, and have developed somewhat close bonds with other players. Wiping the server is a quick fix for the economy, but it'll inevitably destabilise again. Why not just keep the current player's characters and community stable at least?

"levels don't affect anyone in this game"
You have GOT to be kidding me.

90% of all closed betas wipe. Most people who joined the closed beta knew about the posibility of a wipe. Yes there will be numbers of people quitting, but if people really enjoy the game the communities will still remain intact.


Really... I doubt they intend to mess up the economy again? Or launch a game with such messed up economy already? Its called closed beta where mistakes and events like this are possible because it is only temporary

@ rokaraged

Well, firstly, I don't think you fully understood the point I was trying to get across. If you entered Fiesta as a newbie, and knew that there were already people at level 5x, would that change your gaming experience in any way? I highly doubt it. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, at least write something with logic/reasoning behind it. Simply saying "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" isn't suffice.

"90% of closed betas wipe"

I'd like to see the source for this statistic.

In pretty much any game, there's always going to be someone who has an advantage over you, unless you're the sort of person who gets into all the closed betas and you have the time to learn about all the mechanics in the game.
About the events, I guess they won't be held so often once OB is out anyway, so it shouldn't matter much.

Alright i will...
Competively the newbie will be left in the dust. If he wants to particpate competively in things such as Guild wars and high level Pvp, he'll have to out grind the headstart several months the closed beta players had, because he could not get into closed beta. WHile a few will argue that competitiveness is not the main part of mmos, there are quite a few of us who want to enjoy the game knowing that no one had an headstart advantage over us that we could not take advantage of. I of course am in the closed beta and alot to lose, but i just want to see a fair clean slate when OB rolls around.

Name a few closed betas that didn't wipe and i'll name a few hundred that did.

There's only been 2 MMOs that I know of that didn't wipe after CB. Trickster and Rumble Fighter, I think.

I'd like to see a wipe after CB as well.

I see, thanks, I'm beginning to understand where you were getting at. I didn't look at it in the competitive sense because that isn't why I play MMO's, to me they're just a really good way to kill time or to just relax. Thanks for clearing most of it up. But I do wish I could keep my character .___.



You're an avid player of MMO's aren't you :p. Well this would be my first beta testing, and I appreciate you clearing up some facts about closed beta's. But I'm curious as to what happened to the economy in Trickster and Rumble Fighter, after no server wipe was implemented. I'll check back soon for your answer, thanks.

Not too sure on Trickster since I quit a long time ago, but Rumble doesn't have an economy since it's a fighting game. Like Super Smash Bros Melee.

Rumble doesn't have trading. You get money by winning games and such.