Well since you closed the other topic lets open this one!
 

We are not being childish about this. Editing game files of any sort is unacceptable - it is against the rules. You wish to discuss this in the public? Do it somewhere else that will allow you do to so. FiestaFan isn't a place for you discuss how to get yourself in trouble by going against the ToS. You don't agree? I'm sorry, but that's the rules and we're not going to be changing that. Please do not call others childish like that when they are simply stating the facts.

Ok maybe you should re-read what I SAID. I SAID: YOU DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT HAVE TO EDIT ANYTHING OF FIESTA OR THERE FILES OR ANYTHING SO NOW THIS TECHNICALLY WOULDNT BE AGAINST THE TOS ACCEPT FOR YOU ARE RUNNING 2 Fiesta's but I guess im guilty of that because I have multiple computers in my house and I can run fiesta on each one so I guess im breaking the TOS? Anyways it is childish for 10 people to say the same thing and cry about it breaking the TOS. I dont need a bunch of people saying the same thing. Like I said you can run more then 1 client without editing,removing,adding or anything to Fiesta files its completly something different and has nothing to do with fiesta at all.

If your thread was removed, your discussion has been declared over by moderators.

It wasnt my topic and the MOD did not read what I posted and then he said something and then closed the topic.

I believe you will still need an added-out-of-outspark-program to do that...

according to ToS (MWAHAHA take that)
Sorry, you're not winning to ToS battle.

ToS covers them for using any macroing software with their client as well, not just modifying their files.

It is entirely possible to have two computers running Fiesta. Not necessarily the same account on those two computers, but it is entirely possible to log on two separate accounts. You certainly do not need to modify any system files to log two or more accounts onto two or more respective computers.

WhoIsShaun is breaking the rules on a technical basis; he can always claim that a sibling, relative, friend, associate, or whoever is playing as well. This particular exploitation is difficult to catch and prove.

Unless he states downright that he's going to open two clients at once.

Dakkon, Steam, dschang, Guntrix, rider, iceman, Murdock, Cretz, Break, or whatever GM you want would have to literally be breathing over his shoulder.

this thread was originated from a post asking how to open two clients on the one computer. Which is why the other thread was closed.

It has nothing to do with opening two fiesta on two different computer. I don't know why WhoIsShaun brought that into the discussion.

I concur. I've read the other post.

I did as well. And while I dont see why they dont want us to. Its by design that they dont let us. So why break the rules. Its a derned game for crying out loud. Sheesh. I mean hell it could be worse. It could be like Final Fantasy 11. You couldnt evne play that one in windowed mode with out an external program. At least with Fiesta you can troll the forums while you rest. You want to run two characters at once to minimize downtime (since i dont talk about cheating its badddddd :P), buy a laptop. Or or or, shoot me for the blasphemy, maybe make some friends in game? I mean I could be going out on a limb on that one, isnt the point of an MMO that you have to work with "OTHER" people?!

Yeah I don't know why people play MMORPGs and don't party up with other people, I mean it's Multi-player not single-player. If you're going to play a game like that, this game isn't for you. I've seen a cleric who has 4 different low level alts so he gets the Cleric Buff max but it seems pointless because he's always soloing by himself..

Ok im sorry I guess I confused you guys a bit but I was using it as an example or something with the 2 different computer thing. Anyways that guy that posted part of the TOS this thing that I could do if I choose to but I havnt because I have multiple computers in my house but this thing has nothing to do with altering clients or blocking the ports between games or anything like that its something people use a lot for other stuff for example testing new software or something.

r u referring to me? did u just call me "that guy"? i thought looked enough like a girl with my avatar -cries-

nvm.. just understand that we dont support that kinda stuff here in FiestaFan...

Just keep it clean, thanks.

-Skips thread-

I'm in a hurry so I'll just say this now. I've received another pm from another member, and I will be discussing this with the other mods. We may decide to unlock the other thread depending on the situation. I'll come back to read this thread properly later. Just thought I'd say that before I go.

Edit:
Ok, we are going to discuss this so please be patient with us. If we decide it is okay we will definitely unlock the other thread - but meanwhile, it will remain locked for the time being. I will post an update here later when we've talked about it, so just wait and calm down.

On another note, WhoIsShaun, I have read your post before which was one reason why I disagreed.

If it isn't against the ToS, why would you need to "put a little bit of work into it so they can't track you down"? If it's not breaking the rules, why do you need to hide it then? This is why I was doubtful about it and have locked the thread to prevent anyone from posting something that may be against the ToS.

However, I do not appreciate how you jumped ahead to call other people childish for this. If we are wrong, you could simply post your reasons stating why we are wrong in a more sensible manner, and we will take in your opinions. We will not scream at you just because we disagree - discussions are always welcome and your voice of opinion will always be heard, but name calling is not.

Removed.

Well it is breaking the rules as I am 1 person and im gong to be playing 2 fiesta's at once, but noone would know unless I told them but anyways I said that wrong what I ment was with a little bit of work (creating something) you can do it and they wouldnt be able to tell if you are runin 2 clients on 1 computer by 1 person or not.

And this is why I've disagreed and locked the other thread. There shall be no discussion in relation to anything that will involve going against the rules on the forums here.

well i cant find any reason why not running multiple fiesta clients on one machine, it isn't mentioned in the ToS.

Well my SHN-Viewer wasnt against the ToS, too. *sigh*

Someone's being a little el stupido and trying to get banned...

I dunno, you're acting pretty childish, IMHO.

@Blaaaaaaaahs: I don't even think you should have to agree; its not allowed. His arguement it stupid.

@OP: Yeah, there is a ****ing difference between running 2 launchers on one comp and using 2 comps. You are NOT allowed to run 2 on the same comp, so I don't even see why the OP is posting and freaking out about this. -_-

@MaxOff: I'm not sure why yours is banned, because as far as I remember its not unallowed... It doesn't seem any different than using a program to view graphic images of most files, like I did, but Dakkon didn't care.

i think they thought it was illegal because i used a desasm to break the file encryption. Which IS against the ToS. But according to my law i'm allowed to desasm if i want to create compatibility. And because the format is undocumented and encrypted, i created SHN-Viewer so people can use the data contained in the files into more used applications, like excel or a database.

In short i didnt broke the the ToS, nor law.

But all my trys to reach the gm who blocked the shn-viewer where ignored.

p.s.:sry for going offtopic :(

Well we had a discussion and we decided to leave the other thread locked and dual clienting shall not be discussed.

Even if there are methods of dual clienting that might not be exactly against the ToS, it is a touchy topic and it will easily lead to discussions about file editing and such, so it shall not be posted here on the forums.