question regarding crit/block/evade rates

KY_Jelly · 10-24-2007, 12:14 AM

so does the percentage for these apply over time or per hit?

for instance, will the game keep track of how many times you've blocked in the last 500 attacks and accomodate accordingly to make sure the percentage is correct?

or is it like every time you attack you flip a coin?

they both are viable options, although the second one would be much easier to implement into the game (random number generator) but the first one would be much more reliable as far as following the %. they both explain how in spite of only having 5 or 10% crit rate you can still sometimes get 3 or 4 crits in a row.

**Hessah** · 10-24-2007, 12:46 AM

I believe that its the 2nd one... flip a coin.. but a bias coin that is not 50-50... but like.. 95-5% depending on ur build and assessories...

coz as far as i can see.. sometimes i crit more often than others... (i think i crit more with lower lvl mobs) so the % of crit u get per 500 hits probably change depending on the mob u're training on.... but the % of crit u're wearing is constant... which doesnt make sense as the % should match... So.. it's probably a chance thing...

i only talk about crit coz the % of me blocking or dodging is so small i can hardly comment on it -.-

KY_Jelly · 10-24-2007, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hessah

I believe that its the 2nd one... flip a coin.. but a bias coin that is not 50-50... but like.. 95-5% depending on ur build and assessories...

coz as far as i can see.. sometimes i crit more often than others... (i think i crit more with lower lvl mobs) so the % of crit u get per 500 hits probably change depending on the mob u're training on.... but the % of crit u're wearing is constant... which doesnt make sense as the % should match... So.. it's probably a chance thing...

i only talk about crit coz the % of me blocking or dodging is so small i can hardly comment on it -.-

the thing is the second one wouldn't necessarily be the percentage you crit at.

Think about it, there is a (1/2)^100 chance that a coin will land heads every time 100 times in a row.

so while the second one is more likely the method used, that means our crit% displayed isn't necessarily accurate.

**Hessah** · 10-24-2007, 01:42 AM

thats why u wont crit 100 times in a row coz the chance is sooooo slim

yes.. the 2nd one isnt the % u crit at... coz if it is.. then that's the first one.. the 2nd one is all about chance... (probability?! AHHH) so our Crit% is probably wat it's "likely" to be our over all %...

so like... with ur 1st theory.. if our Crit is 5%

u hit 100 times, it should give u exactly 5 crits.

But with the 2nd one.. it's a chance thing... so u'll probably get anything between 3 crits to 10 crits.. probably on average... its about 5 crits... something like that....

**ThievingSix** · 10-24-2007, 04:38 AM

I think of it like this:

1% crit: 1/100 shots gets crit
5% crit: 5/100 | 1/25 shots gets crit

It's like a 5% chance that that attack is going to crit.

**Hessah** · 10-24-2007, 05:55 AM

i saw the question as..

is the percentage a definite percentage? or a chance percentage?

Take a simpler example... You've got 10 coins..

Definite Percentage: You lay 5 coins heads up, 5 coins heads down.

Chance Percentage: Flipping the coins, you dont necessarily get 5 heads and 5 tails... the chances are 50% but that is usually not actual result.

I dont think the crit% is strict like definite 5 hits out of 100 hits are crit, so i believe it's chance, which leaves room for variation, which happens.

HAHA ok hmm.. i might just leave it at that.. getting a bit too complicated.

**Triumph** · 10-24-2007, 09:39 PM

It's entirely possible to critical 100 times in a row. Just your chances of it are extremely low.

If you have 5% critical rate, then you have 5% chance of getting a critical.

The way I'll try to explain it is that it's like having a certain number range (i.e. [1-10]) with a random number generator of [1-100]. [1,10] would be like 10% chance of critical. If any number between 1-10 is set as a critical for that particular hit, you get a critical. Higher critical rate increases the parameter of your individual number range, if you will.

**O-mie** · 10-24-2007, 10:21 PM

^ What they said

**ThievingSix** · 10-25-2007, 05:30 AM

Let me give another example: Fiesta's crit and block ratio are based on a simple idea, the same as statistics that companies use. You know, "1 out of 10 women will have breast cancer". It is entirely possible that you'll find two people with breast cancer next to each other.

Pedobear · 10-25-2007, 08:20 AM

i answered my own question today while farming.

each type of dust has an equal % of dropping, so in a perfect worl, you'd pick up the same amount of spirit, gem, and soul dust.

however i had discrepencies by as much as 50 pieces, showing this random number generator is actually not too incredibly accurate.

chances are they use it for every % in the game.