Remi's Find Debate

[MaxOff]

Mhh... i think that Remi's Rare Find's would be illegal in my country, because they let persons under age gamble with real money.

[Icy]

Mhh... i think that Remi's Rare Find's would be illegal in my country, because they let persons under age gamble with real money.

But not in return for real money; would it still be illegal?

[Saphar]

Mhh... i think that Remi's Rare Find's would be illegal in my country, because they let persons under age gamble with real money.

Don't worry, it's not legally gambling because you always win something... it's just that sometimes that something is very, very valuable

[Hessah]

Mhh... i think that Remi's Rare Find's would be illegal in my country, because they let persons under age gamble with real money.

Are raffles legal in your country?

Well you put money in, and you win a prize... that's "technically" gambling...

[Lady-Loki]

It's like a gumball machine with the plastic containers with a prize in it - sometimes you just get a gumball and sometimes you get the plastic container with the keyring or sheet of stickers. Either way you paid a quarter and you got something in return - it's just that you hope for the sheet of stickers for a quarter in stead of just another gumball. It's not gambling in the sense of casinos and legalized gambling. It's all perfectly legal if you wanna stick your quarter in that machine.

[Hraesvelg]

Yep, that's pretty much the gist of it. If you spent the SparkCash and had the chance to get nothing in return, there would probably be legal implications. But since everyone is a winner it doesn't even fall into the raffle category.

[MaxOff]

Gambling has a specific economic definition, referring to wagering money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period of time.

A great Definition of what Gambling is. (Look for others goolgle "define: gambling")

So lets see if that Definition fits on Remi's Rare Find's.

wagering money or something of material value
U can do both, u can wager a fixed amount of SparkCash or 3 Items u won before.

on an event with an uncertain outcome
It is fully uncertian.

with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

Yep the only intend is to win material goods, the payshop items.

So it looks like Remi's Rare Find's is indeed Gambling.

Edit:
So the next Question is if its a form of Gambling that is appropriate for kids to play.

[Ivramire]

Kids would still need their parent's/caretakers financial information or consent before getting any Sparkcash.


I guess if the parent's okay with it...?

[Lady-Loki]

A great Definition of what Gambling is. (Look for others goolgle "define: gambling")

So lets see if that Definition fits on Remi's Rare Find's.

wagering money or something of material value
U can do both, u can wager a fixed amount of SparkCash or 3 Items u won before.

on an event with an uncertain outcome
It is fully uncertian.

with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods.

Yep the only intend is to win material goods, the payshop items.

So it looks like Remi's Rare Find's is indeed Gambling.

Edit:
So the next Question is if its a form of Gambling that is appropriate for kids to play.

With gambling there is a chance the outcome will be zero return on the investment. No guarantee of ROI.

With Remi you will receive goods for your investment. A guaranteed ROI.

It could just as easily have been built as a "Surprise" Box purchase and you would still get something from the box for your purchase price. Instead, to make it more cute and animated they made it look like a gumball machine.

If Outspark changes it to a "Surprise" Box purchase with the outcome results unaltered would that make those who see it as gambling less bothered?

Honestly, if you want to get nit-picky on what constitutes gambling or not you could throw a boatload of everyday perfectly legal matters into the mix

• insurance: betting on getting sick or injured?
• 401K: betting on that baby growing with returns on the stock & bond options invested in?
• Taking a matter to court (sue an individual or company): hoping to win that case and get a monetary settlement?
• Extended warranties on electronics (or other goods): betting on a failure that you will want replaced?

Really, if you want to call it gambling then take the money you could spend on a Remi Rare Find and get a lawyer to sue Outspark. Bet you get a zero ROI on that one.

[MaxOff]

So its a guaranteed return on investment(ROI)?
Is that so? So if give 5items back, to get another try i have a return on investment? ... No i dont have, i just lost 80% of the money i spended without getting anything.

Not to mention that these Items are untrable, so the items are actually worthless if u dont want them. Or at leasts just 20% of what u spend for them. (See above)

Even in the actual value some of the item are more and some less worth what u spend.

So in the end i can not agree: Remi's Rare Finds does not have a guaranteed return on investment.


What i think of Remi's Rare Finds is that: Outspark wants to trick people in spending more money. Unfortunatly kids cant always restrain themself from trying again and again until they get what they want. And Outspark supports that behavior, actually, i believe, they count on it.

And just like i said before: These items are wortless if u dont want them, because thinks are always worth as much, as people are ready to pay for it.