Large Hadron Collider - Page 4

**Vasu** · 10-10-2008, 07:29 AM

Yeah, one of their super-conducting electromagnets got damaged. The reason it's taking so long to repair is because they have to heat that magnet steadily from near-absolute zero, repair it and then slowly cool it back steadily.

**Phantom Badger** · 10-10-2008, 03:15 PM

You guys do realise they havnt actually collided anything yet right ?

The Wednesday were everyone thought it was colliding they were just sending the particles around both ways as a test. They wont start colliding then till the end of the year.
But now that it's damaged it will be January~May before they collide them.

wompastompa · 10-10-2008, 06:26 PM

Did you know that what scientists are trying to detect with the hadron collider is 1/1000000000 the size of an atom....Let me just remind you that atoms are etremely small in and of themselves

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**Phantom Badger** · 10-10-2008, 08:40 PM

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And yeah Atoms are pretty small. i heard they were trying to find the Higgs Bosun ? The God particle ?
If they do it will Prove that God didnt create us.

**Hraesvelg** · 10-11-2008, 01:46 AM

That's not entirely true, because a theist can always claim that a diety created that particle.

lamchopz · 10-11-2008, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

That's not entirely true, because a theist can always claim that a diety created that particle.

We may disagree on anything but one thing for certain: we share the same view on science.

"How did life begin?"
"God particles created us"
"Then who created the God particles?"

I'd say we shouldn't try to prove that God didn't exist because by religious logic, He always has existed, is exisitng and will be there, for eternity and beyond time that encases our understanding.

**Hraesvelg** · 10-11-2008, 07:18 AM

Some people get mixed up. It's not a scientist's job to prove there isn't a god. It's a scientist's/theist's job to prove there IS a god. If one makes a claim, one must support that claim.

**Vasu** · 10-11-2008, 07:20 AM

You know it's strange...who created God particles? God did. Then who created god? He has always existed. Then why can't we just say that the universe has always existed? Why can't we say it's an endless cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches? Why do we have to envision a superhuman entity to create the universe? Because the universe has no explanation? What then, is the explanation for the superhuman entity? Allow me to quote Douglas Adams here:

Quote:

Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to
believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

lamchopz · 10-11-2008, 07:58 AM

The problem is, as my religious friends love to bring up, everything that has an end has a beginning. We're limited to our understanding of space and time.

Religous people have no problems with accepting there is a God whose power works beyond space and time. This sprang from my four years of being in contact with friends from Islam and Christianity, and that I have slowly accepted and adopted the fact that that is what they believe and there's nothing wrong with forming that belief.

In science, except in mathematics-related areas, I was taught not to "prove" a hypothesis but provide comprehensive analysis to either "support" or "refute" it. That the experimental designs may give overwhelming support for something now doesn't mean it can't be overturned later.

God is neither mathematical nor biological because we don't know what/who God is. That merely putting a God there, outside our equations of currently accepted knowledge and abstaining from discussing "God" (or in my language, just a higher being), is, to me, satisfactory. I no longer have a strong belief against "God" but I don't cite "God" in explaining something. There is just so much that I don't know, we don't know that we should just be happy experimenters who like to research until we see something that "miraculously" (a true miracle, in fact, because I have no idea what sort of evidence this might be) points to the existence/nonexistence of "God".

**Vasu** · 10-11-2008, 08:15 AM

If they have no problems with accepting a being outside space, time and our comprehension, then why can't they accept that the universe is endless? (Mind you this is not a theory that I'm advocating, I'm just showing that it has as much evidence as a theory about god). I find it hard to believe that so many people across the world are willing to subvert their intelligence to a being that supposedly, "we cannot comprehend". If your friends like to bring up that everything has a beginning and an end, ask them how god "began" and when he will "end". God began in our minds, and I can only hope he will end soon.