Petition: Falcomist's ban

[Ivramire]

I hope you come back to post and not only in this thread bolsz1.


You're one of the few who's going against the general response and had a plausible point.

[O-mie]

The only thing I saw that falco might have gotten reprimanded for was the "I'll rape them all" Comment, because in the ToS its stated that derogatory speech such as "Violent sexual acts" or whatever, those are against too. But a ban for that? People have said and DONE much, much worse.

[Ivramire]

What happened to the others who were supposedly banned for defending Falco?


Was that even true? If so, I don't see how that is justified, especially if defending is all they did.

[Spirit]

People have said and done much worse with better screenshots and was reported to ALL the GMs and nothing was done. I still have the screenshots. If Outspark is going to enforce a rule, then they need to enforce that rule for all situations that revolve around those same circumstances. If a perma-ban was good enough here, then it should be good enough for other situations that I know were reported and NOTHING was done.

[Lilian]

Voted absolutely no, he shouldn't have been perm banned.

Trying to justify either side in the events that led to this whole thing (the abyss etc) is fruitless, not only because of what was said about the battlegrounds being PK-intended, but also because it takes two to tango. Also, stuff like this happens all the time. Handle every separate situation ingame in the same way, and you will end up banning like half the population, if not more.

Having said that, my opinion on this remains the same: don't aim to achieve a robot-like system that SEEKS out words in the chat and then bans the person in whose chat line the word is in. Handle each case as separate, look at the context. Pulling the "any kind of second chance is showing we allow it" is unjustified in my opinion because you're NOT allowing it, what you are allowing is room for human error. Same thing happens after being warned, OR if the first offense is blatantly clear abuse, (meaning there can be no room for speculation that the offender had any other reason to do it than just for the sake of harassment) then go for it, let the banhammer swing.

[walnut]

no.

given the info i have seen a month or so in jail would seem time enough. With that kind of time the agressors would be able to reflect on the incident, how it came about and how to make better choices in the future and any agrieved parties would have the chance to cool off.

perhaps they would be able to send a vetted appology message to offended peeps, even if it only says i dont regret the argument just the way i chose to express myself.

we have to leave room in life for people to vent when they need to, but equally you cant just say what you like and expect no reprocusions.

so i say give these guys a chance to learn from their mistakes!

[Aerythia]

Outspark have made Falco into some sort of "example" and scapegoat basically... judging by what they have banned him on, they should therefore ban half the server, since they have all said similar words in the heat of conflict. I'm not saying that it is right to say these words, what I am saying is that he was not the first and certainly not the last person to say them.

Many higher levelled players know the personality of Falco, as do those in his Guild. Bleh, seems crazy to make an example of him, of all people.

[Sero]

Edit:
If you do choose to vote, could you please put your reasons as to why you voted this. This would also help the petition as I accidentally chose anonymous... >.<

Alright...

-takes the microphone-

I have voted, no, Falcomist and Uchiha_Itachi shouldn't be banned.
Although I'm not a friend of theirs, and they do not know me as well, but no is the right answer...

-pause-

You f**king crazy?!?! *PERMANENT* ban???? isn't that enough bulls**t to take? I don't even think they should be sent to jail, what more to ban them permanently... I mean, for what??? Dissing the opposition's race? C'mon, everyone has the damn balls to do that, I mean why wasn't I banned? And all others who've passed through this s**t... Them mexican latinoes, or whoever the heck they are (as what the first post told me) talked s**t in their language, why not get a translator and see what they said? Ban their accounts as well?

EDIT:

Mighty_Army never asked for the war to stop in any case, and started calling names towards Vendetta. This also includes speaking in a different language (Spanish) at the same time in normal chat, when they could have spoken in guild chat. So being people who don't speak/understand Spanish, we took it as insults. Falcomist and Uchiha_Itachi being at the scene saw this, and knowing what happened to a good friend (our guildmates who were attacked for a grind spot), they got upset, and said things that were out of the line.

HERE, READ THESE LINES!!!

And~

If you think YES should still be the answer...

Come suck my Uncle Tommy's balls >_<

[bolsz1]

SerodinSilver: That's such a well thought out and masterfully articulated argument, I can't believe you don't have the entire community agreeing with your every word.

Aerythia: Yes, Falco was an "example". No, he was not any kind of scapegoat. He was banned because he allegedly broke a big rule in a very public way, and Outspark was, presumably, forced to act. Obviously Outspark can't "ban half the server" because they'd have no client base. What they can do is exactly what they have done - make a public example of someone so as to discourage others.

Walnut: While you do have a point that a permaban may have been harsh, that's not your decision to make. We all agreed to the EULA, and that says Outspark, not the community, decides all punishment for rules violations.

+Tequila+: Even if those are the screenshots that were turned in, Outspark does log all chat that happens on their servers. I know this for a fact, as I had a very long discussion with Dakkon trying to get back an item belonging to a guild member of mine that was scammed away from her by a fake enhancer. Because of these chat logs, and player trade logs, Dakkon took the item away from the scammer and gave it to me, then permabanned the scammer's account.
My point is, the evidence that was delivered to and, presumably, gathered by Outspark may never be presented to the community. Outspark is in no way obligated to do so. This issue is between Falcomist and Outspark. I think the only way we will see such evidence is if Falcomist chooses to disclose it.

Ivramire: Thanks for the encouragement. I've always enjoyed playing devil's advocate in heated situations. That said, I don't think you understood my comparison. I wasn't comparing killing people in real life to killing people in a computer game. There, as you pointed out, is no comparison. I was comparing rule breaking and how it escalates out of control and needs to be ended with swift justice before there is unreparable damage.
If Outspark only concerned about their bottom line, the outcome of this incident would have been much different. Uchi and Falco were both cash shop users, and as such would have been given a slap on the wrist. The decision to ban them actually HURT the profit margin.

Again, I am in no way, shape, or form saying that Falcomist's ban was justified. I'm saying that we don't know the circumstances of what happened. We've heard only a very limited portion of one side of the issue. The screenshots in this thread have Falco saying some insulting, but not overly racist things. Perhaps Uchi's stigma of blatant racism enveloped Falco as well, or perhaps Falco said things equally as racist that weren't captured in a picture. In either event, we don't know.

Just for the record, I voted yes to the ban, but not because I believe he should have been banned. I did it to express my divergent viewpoint.

[Sero]

SerodinSilver: That's such a well thought out and masterfully articulated argument, I can't believe you don't have the entire community agreeing with your every word.

Thank you...

Outspark does log all chat that happens on their servers. I know this for a fact, as I had a very long discussion with Dakkon trying to get back an item belonging to a guild member of mine that was scammed away from her by a fake enhancer. Because of these chat logs, and player trade logs, Dakkon took the item away from the scammer and gave it to me, then permabanned the scammer's account.

Holy f**k... Logs?! Once they find everything with SerodinSliver in it... *hides under table*

...

*comes back up* does that include whisper?!

Again, I am in no way, shape, or form saying that Falcomist's ban was justified. I'm saying that we don't know the circumstances of what happened. We've heard only a very limited portion of one side of the issue. The screenshots in this thread have Falco saying some insulting, but not overly racist things. Perhaps Uchi's stigma of blatant racism enveloped Falco as well, or perhaps Falco said things equally as racist that weren't captured in a picture. In either event, we don't know.

Just for the record, I voted yes to the ban, but not because I believe he should have been banned. I did it to express my divergent viewpoint.

Cool.