Ian Thomlinson. - Page 4

Jikanu · 05-24-2009, 10:22 PM

The change isnt drastic though. perhaps a little difference in tax, a small little difference in how law enforcement acts, but never a war ending. never a really important difference.

**Hraesvelg** · 05-24-2009, 11:58 PM

Peaceful change is all about the increments. What you're wanting will require a full-scale, bloody revolution.

Jikanu · 05-25-2009, 12:11 AM

Not neccesarilly. what about the civil rights movement?

**Hraesvelg** · 05-25-2009, 12:30 AM

You might want to read a bit more about the civil rights movement if you don't think it was large scale and bloody.

Jikanu · 05-25-2009, 12:48 AM

It was large scale, but only groups like the black panthers were bloody. Im speaking of Dr. King's branch of it.

**Hraesvelg** · 05-25-2009, 01:01 AM

Because we can just ignore the parts that we don't like. Might as well say Torquemada was just misunderstood.

I digress, because I wasn't saying that the protesters themselves were violent. I said it was bloody. And it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Summer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississ...worker_murders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma,_...ights_movement

Do you need more? I know I'm using wiki, but feel free to go to the actual sources if the veracity is in doubt. I'm not doing primary research for you.

**Yosei** · 05-25-2009, 01:03 AM

No, police were brutal as well. Recall the notorious method of blasting them with water?

Jikanu · 05-25-2009, 01:05 AM

Ahhh. i thought you were referring to the protesters, not the authorities. In that case, yes, i agree, though today that would stir up unwanted international attention.

**Hraesvelg** · 05-25-2009, 01:08 AM

Right, because we in the US really don't want any sort of negative international attention. We've carefully maintained our reputation around the world. Oh, wait...

Jikanu · 05-25-2009, 01:12 AM

Ah, good point... but it would be much more outrageous if we started doing it in our own country. Wrong, yes, but it's the truth.