Does outspark never learn? - Page 6

AngellicDiety · 02-24-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Yosei

They don't have as much control as you guys are saying they do. X-trap is the program that they gave outspark.

Outspark has a little more control than you give them credit for.

Outspark licenses the game.

They can request changes.

Bright Kingdom is not controlled by OnsOnSoft. They requested changes completey different from our version and Shine online (both chinese and korean.)

Outspark can request changes to be done. They are a client, and there is no way OnsOnsoft is going to refuse the requests, after all they need to put food on the table too.

**Yosei** · 02-24-2008, 09:59 PM

I'm not saying they don't have any control at all. This game has its different needs and wants compared to the others, so they can please us. But everyone is acting like Outspark wants to keep them off of the game. It does take them time, from what I've heard. And perhaps X-trap is all that they have. Maybe they're testing a new program, so another X-trap issue doesn't start again.
I'm not being an Outspark a**kisser, but I'm trying to help others get some perspective and maybe instead of just thinking negative thoughts, try to think up what else it could be other than some plot against the players.
I've sent a PM to SKiNG asking for an explanation on how they work behind the scenes, so no one else needs to go spamming his inbox now. I've gotten the explanation before, but I can't recall the thread.

**Lady-Loki** · 02-24-2008, 10:10 PM

We need to also keep in mind that when dealing with licensing rights and contracts a lot of things will not and do not happen fast. Apparently Outspark bought the license they currently use for the x-trap, and we don't really know how long it may have taken for corporate approval and contract negotiation and other bureaucratic BS, but licensing and such is always surrounded by this. Outspark knows x-trap did cause (and again is causing) problems and they may well be in the process of researching, testing and negotiating something better, but when the massive d/c hacks started happening they re-deployed what they already had a license for in order to provide some type of quick fix to the d/c.

Also, there are many people who had issues the first time around who are not having those same issues this time so they may well have made some modifications to help. Granted, many of the issues still exist and even some new or different ones, but if those who are affected don't take the time to provide complete feedback then they have a harder time working those issues out.

And by complete I mean - go to the official forums and find the info on what specifically to report to tech support. Sending spam crap of "WTF?" and "Curses & Pox on Outspark" gets to action from tech support.

And don't come back with crap at me about siding with them - I'm NOT - in fact I have a PC affected negatively by x-trap, but I did due diligence and ran as many rabbits on the issue as I could and I provided Outspark with all my information because I want them to be better equipped to remedy this.

Thread Title? Yes, Outspark does learn as evidenced by the fact that some people do not have problems with x-trap and x-fir conflicts this time around, but changing things quickly in a corporate arena is not an overnight process.

Now, those who post complaints going forward need to start with:

Yes, I have done my due diligence and I have fully documented my errors and I provided Outspark Tech Support with the information they need to adequately assess my issue as directed on the official forums for tech support issues.

If you haven't and all you do is complain about it then remember, you only get out as much as you put in.

**Triumph** · 02-24-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Lady-Loki

Outspark knows x-trap did cause (and again is causing) problems and they may well be in the process of researching, testing and negotiating something better, but when the massive d/c hacks started happening they re-deployed what they already had a license for in order to provide some type of quick fix to the d/c.

This seems to be the most logical explanation. It appears to be nothing more than a quick fix, or at least an act to show the public they're doing at least something.

**Yosei** · 02-24-2008, 10:38 PM

Exactly.. there haven't been anymore DC hack report since they put it up. Thats good. Thats the main reason why I am not completely against them putting it up. Just a temp sacrifice some people will have to make.

Also.. perhaps they're not telling us what they're doing because the hackers read the forums too.

**Hessah** · 02-24-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Yosei

Exactly.. there haven't been anymore DC hack report since they put it up. Thats good. Thats the main reason why I am not completely against them putting it up. Just a temp sacrifice some people will have to make.

Also.. perhaps they're not telling us what they're doing because the hackers read the forums too.

thats true XD never tell ur enemy ur tactics!

MaxOff · 02-25-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Yosei

Also.. perhaps they're not telling us what they're doing because the hackers read the forums too.

Or they are just smart. Never ever provocate a hacker. Like: "Our game is unhackable". Because a real hacker may think of proving them wrong after that.
Happened several times already.

As a matter of fact: Fiesta is not unhackable. (I have read several claims that fiesta is unhackable(by 99%-100%)
I want to remember that i can hijack fiesta session. That problem was not addressed until now. And i bet there are other hacks out there. But the fewest are stupid enough braking about it. Because they would risk that they fix the hack. BUT i want the login weakness fixed. Should i start deleting chars of random people just to prove my point?

Anyway back to topic: Fiesta is hackable. XTrap will not help against hackers. But at least it may help to remove the annoying botters. They realy annoy me too x.x

**Yosei** · 02-25-2008, 12:40 AM

It doesn't help with the bots, but it appears to have helped with the DC hacks.

**Lady-Loki** · 02-25-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by MaxOff

Should i start deleting chars of random people just to prove my point?

Okay, see, IF you wanted to make that point you would not be "deleting chars of random people just to prove my point" coz all you do is cause grief and headache for innocent players. Why would you not throw out there "should I start deleting chars of GM's & CSR's just to prove my point?"

Proving to the company that you can hack them is between you and them but deleting random characters just makes innocent people unhappy and the company may not react. I don't think anyone should cause that much grief to innocent players just top prove they can do anything.

And IF I had a simple clue about how to hack anything I certainly wouldn't be posting it like it was a badge of honor, because it's not - people who post that they can or have lose respect with me.

MaxOff · 02-25-2008, 03:04 AM

well , my reason is that i reported a weakness to outspark that enables me to take over(or hijack) someone else connection. I can do with that connection what ever i want. Sending whispers to his friend, or just deleting the chars. The later is really simple too.

My problem is that such a weakness exist, and is still not fixed. Im a kinda nice guy and never exploited the weakness. Of course im testing it once in a while, but every session i hijacked was discarded right after. So no harm was ever done.

And i just think how i could convince oustpark finally fixing the weakness. Deleting some chars would certainly produce some results.

And i really respect people share there knowledge. Its not the hacker who makes the weaknesses. There are most of the time design flaws made by the devs. What i really disrespect are people who want to destroy the game.

Im also against cheating in an online game. I cheat in single player games a LOT(when i replay), but i never cheated in online games. That just wouldnt be fair.

im so offtopic... SRY x.x