Bleh.

[Vasu]

Watchmen was good. Lacked a villain though. :O

[Jikanu]

I read about it on wikipedia; didnt go to see the movie. but honestly, the villain is up for you to decide; SPOILERS IN NINJA TEXT: Was Ozymandias the villain for killing innocents, or was he good for working towards a common good? Was Dr. Manhattan the villain for killing Rorschach, or was Rorschach the villain for opposing ozymandias's methods? Personally, i side with Rorschach. "Never Comprimise".

[Hraesvelg]

You would, LOL. Rorschach was mentally unhinged, and not in a good way, like Deadpool.

[Jikanu]

Perhaps, but in the end he refused to give up his morals for the easy way out, and sacrificed himself for them. Is that not, to some degree, what a hero is defined as?

Besides, he was the only interesting hero in there who didnt show off his radioactive genitles.

[Hraesvelg]

James von Brunn and Scott Roeder stuck to their moral principles and sacrificed their futures for what they believed in. I wouldn't consider them heroes. Some might.

[Jikanu]

i mean the principal of not comprimising for peace. Roeder killed for Life, therefore doing what Ozymandius did. Von Brun was a nazi, so that's very much an extreme example. Rorschach was saying that you cant comprimise and kill for peace.

[Hraesvelg]

And yet he called the rape of Sally merely a moral lapse on the part of the Commedian. He obsessed over Veidt's sexuality, deeming it worthy of investigation because he thought homosexuals should be punished. His only comment to the knowledge his mother had been killed was "Good" because she was a whore. He was not a moral character except for in his head. There are no heroes in Watchmen. Rorschach is the very epitome of the sort of wild vigilante that raises the question, "Who watches the watchmen?"

[Jikanu]

i dont believe i called him moral. If i did, i misstated my point. i said he was correct at the end of the film, where he refused to kill to gain peace.

Also, i hadnt read about the part about Viedt or his opinion on the Comedian. His mother, however, abused him, i believe i read somewhere... please correct me if im wrong.

Lets not hi-jack the thread and make it another of our "Mature Discussions" debates, though...

[Hraesvelg]

Eh, you said he refused to give up his morals. From that, I took it to mean you thought he was a moral person. Morality is a slippery thing. I think the end was more of a selfish act. He wanted to die.

His mother did abuse him, yes. Did you read the graphic novel, are have you only seen the movie?

[Jikanu]

neither. didnt want to see the nudity and sex scenes involved, so i read as much as i could about the storyline elsewhere, as i was still massively intrigued by the morality questions.

By "Morals" I meant what he was fighting for. Ozymandias sold out, in a way. He fought for peace by murdering millions.