Deity Existence - Page 39

**Hraesvelg** · 04-29-2009, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

Yeah... insanity can be looked at in two ways: as something that makes people violently insane, or something that gives a whole different perspective on life. i think that it's the choice on how you filter your insanity that matters in the end.

::blink:: I'll remember to tell the guy wandering the streets babbling to himself about the CIA implants in his skull that he should just choose to filter his insanity better.

Jikanu · 04-29-2009, 03:23 AM

nonono, i dont mean that... i just mean that if you have that kind of stuff in your head, you CAN use arts as therapy... you know? instead of being violent... wouldnt that work in the slightest? i mean, im probably wrong since im not a psychologist, but in theory, couldnt it work in some cases, as the previously stated van gough?

**Vasu** · 04-29-2009, 04:31 AM

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I'm pretty sure the ''benevolent'' vs. ''free-will'' thing was addressed before. Sure he/she/it wants what's best for us and that means letting us make our own mistakes. Like the apt example of a parent, you can't coddle them forever.

I don't think the parent analogy is apt, because the parent is not all powerful to stop his/her offspring's misdeeds. At the most he/she can tell them not to be bad, or whatever. They can't snap their fingers and correct all the misdeeds of their children, while god can.

About van Gogh, yeah, I guess the influence does count for something.

**Ivramire** · 04-29-2009, 05:02 AM

I think it is apt in the way that no child can grow up if you don't let them. They have to be free to make their own decisions and also have the real ramifications of said actions.

**Vasu** · 04-29-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ivramire

I think it is apt in the way that no child can grow up if you don't let them. They have to be free to make their own decisions and also have the real ramifications of said actions.

But that's the whole point. Many criminals don't experience the consequences of their actions, and die happy. He has every power to stop it, but does he? NO.

**Ivramire** · 04-29-2009, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Vasu

But that's the whole point. Many criminals don't experience the consequences of their actions, and die happy. He has every power to stop it, but does he? NO.

Again, that is the point. People are allowed to do what they want and supposedly get punished in the Great-Beyond.

The whole basis of the parent analogy is that people are allowed to make their own decisions whether for good or ill, and suffer in one way or another for it. Your decision nonetheless.

**Vasu** · 04-29-2009, 06:01 AM

So the whole point of this thing depends on the existence of an afterlife?

**Ivramire** · 04-29-2009, 06:04 AM

I guess if you assume the existence of a god, you assume the existence of both retribution and the inherent afterlife in which it will be doled out.

That's the way I understand it.

**Phantom Badger** · 04-29-2009, 06:49 AM

Wait... This has nothing to do with the current subject in the argument but something kinda struck me.
If the bible stories are true and he created the world in 7 days.
If God is so All-powerfull, then why did he need to rest on the 7th day ? If he is a spiritual being he shouldn't get fatigue.

xDario · 04-29-2009, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by BlackDragonEX

Well, I'm an athiest, I just find the whole bible story a little too farfetched.
But other people have many differnat beliefs and I respect that ^^

Same.