Wow...

[Kaidela]

Ha, it got much worse on Teva about a week ago. People were complaining about Dakkon and how he was "the only one who cared," and Silky, Nei, and Snakeeyes mocked Dakkon for a while... it started a huge debate in Elderine. o.o

[Hyper]

Someone should consider leaving Outspark.

...before they're fired.

[Yosei]

Well I showed the thread to Silky, she doesn't know who it is, might have been a GL, she said she's going to look into it.

[SKiNG]

I'm looking into it now.

Thanks

[GL_Asp]

Hey all, sorry I haven't posted on here before. I'm not a big forum person most of the time. I was sent the link for this thread, so signed up so I could reply as well.

I understand that as players it can be hurtful to see current staff making negative comments about ex-staff that you all cared about. On the flipside of that, it can also hurt us to constantly be told that we are nothing compared to Steam and Dakkon. I know that you might not get to see Silky, Snappo, Snake and SKiNG in game as much as you'd like, but they are crazy busy most of the time outside of the game working on stuff for all the players to enjoy. Just because you might not see them perched somewhere having a dance party, doesn't mean that they are ignoring your concerns and questions.

As for the Screenshots posted here.

Yes I was one person there that day, I was the one on the Notice talking about the Ultimate Game Card and explaining where Canadians could find them.

( I was also the one defending Canada's Milk-in-a-bag!, we may not have that still on the west coast, but I know other areas still sell it *grin*)

I will forward this thread link onto the other people that were there as well, and encourage them to reply.

** Not sure who all on here is from Apoline, but congrats again on the Helga Kill!

edit: lol @ my forum status being a Slime :3 yay for 1 post!

[Loveless]

It's not so much about Dakkon or Steam being the 'better' GM or the only ones that cared. People do not always notice the things that are done behind the scenes and you just have to come to accept that. Also, because they were the faces of Fiesta due to their activity players will become attached. There's no helping the fact that players feel they are the only ones that 'cared'.

Regardless of that fact, to talk badly about those who left whether it be on good terms or not is not professional at all. It doesn't matter whether the person who sent those notices were 'hurt' about being compared. No player wants to see the ugly while playing a game. Leave that sort of drama out, each player creates enough of it in-game.

[Vasu]

Yeah, it's true. Absence often makes the heart grow fonder, and people will keep talking about how great former GMs were. It's something that I suppose you guys should get used to.

[Spirit]

I have stayed out of this thread for the most part and have just been following it to make sure nothing took a wrong turn. But shucks! You make me want to reply. But, before I do, I would like to state that I am neutral on this whole mess. To me, Outspark is just like any other company out there and they have turn-over. Some employees you will like and some you will not. Just like when you go to a restaurant to eat, some waitresses you will like, some you will not. I try to remain neutral to all the employees, simply because I do not know them personally and they are just doing a job and may get a better offer tomorrow and be gone forever. Plain as that. So, I have never made comments and never pat attention to the comments being made. To me it is all childish banter. With that being said, GL_Asp, please do not feel like I am picking apart your statement. I simply wanted to comment on a few things.

Hey all, sorry I haven't posted on here before. I'm not a big forum person most of the time. I was sent the link for this thread, so signed up so I could reply as well.

Welcome to FF. We are proud of our site and hope that if nothing else you come visit from time to time to see what is going on in our little world.

I understand that as players it can be hurtful to see current staff making negative comments about ex-staff that you all cared about. I know that you might not get to see Silky, Snappo, Snake and SKiNG in game as much as you'd like, but they are crazy busy most of the time outside of the game working on stuff for all the players to enjoy. Just because you might not see them perched somewhere having a dance party, doesn't mean that they are ignoring your concerns and questions.

I understand how annoying it can be having to put up with all the comments that players make. However, at the same time, Employees of Outspark should not lower themselves to the standards of those of lesser standards (really wanted to use the word idiot there). More than likely these people do not have the common sense it takes to realize this is a game run by a company and real-life mixes with that company, no matter how "involved" they think the employee (GM, CSR, GL) is with them.
As employees, Outspark staff should not only have a higher standard than those I am referring to above, but also show professionalism in the face of the customer, no matter how frustrated they get. Post a picture of however or a few of the players shouting comments and throw darts at them in the company break room to relieve stress. Simply log out and all the GMs take a relay race around the office to release the anger. However, A public display like the one this thread is about, is never a good choice.
^^ Just my thoughts on the matter as someone who as been in the Real workforce for more than half her life.

edit: lol @ my forum status being a Slime :3 yay for 1 post!

And last but not least, lol at you being a slime. If you post more you can work yourself up to the Ever-so-desired Mushroom!!!!! Yay you!!!!

[Ralath]

Dang, Spirit took a lot of words out of my mouth.

I understand that as players it can be hurtful to see current staff making negative comments about ex-staff that you all cared about. On the flipside of that, it can also hurt us to constantly be told that we are nothing compared to Steam and Dakkon. I know that you might not get to see Silky, Snappo, Snake and SKiNG in game as much as you'd like, but they are crazy busy most of the time outside of the game working on stuff for all the players to enjoy. Just because you might not see them perched somewhere having a dance party, doesn't mean that they are ignoring your concerns and questions.

I think it's important to remember the audience of Fiesta, who might not necessarily have the maturity to separate the job and player aspects of the GM. I think those comments don't reflect the attitudes of the community as a whole. But, I do think that the shouts like those represent a disproportionate amount of us because the people who remain neutral about issues such as these (such as Spirit) really don't care enough to start a shout conversation about it. GMs shouldn't let them bother them, especially if they're hiding in server-wide messages.

That is all.

[Yosei]

Guys, please remember, GLs are volunteers, they aren't staff or representatives. There is no proof as to who that was, obviously it was someone in the higher ups, but whether it was a GL or GM, we do not know. Unprofessional... yes it is. Asp wasn't necessarily siding with the person in the screenshot, or justifying it, but giving perspective as to how they feel. I guess it depends on what was going on at that moment...

I could imagine they were dealing with something, or something was going on, and a user made a comment like "I wish Dakkon were still here" or "Dakkon was better", obviously something that that person would take offense to. And they're human! Remember that... human, they have feelings. The GMs work their butts off everyday trying to make us happy and to prosper Outspark. The GLs gave up their gaming time to help the GMs with in-game issues, and for someone to tell a GM or GL that "You suck, Dakkon was better!" makes them feel unappreciated. Especially when Dakkon is long gone. He's no longer a GM, there are others, its not the end of the world, Dakkon wasn't superman, he didn't do everything himself.

Still.. this does not mean saying that was appropriate.