Learn before you judge.

[MikeyG]

Ofcourse he can, Im not here to debate, hence why this
was not posted in mature discussions.

And all that was posted in here i never freaked out and
got "pissy" at other then the one where I'm being insulted.

And theres no need to sit there and tell me hrae can debate this
topic better then me because ofcourse I already understand that.

If i was to sit and read what you said over and over and thought
about it I still cant turn that into a great debate because its just stupid.
You, as alot of people have the image of, think stoners are braindead and just like the idiots that are put into movies.

You like apple computers? Created by a stoner. Cnn? again stoners, comon, you just keep edging me on to and you know it with your " your just proving my point". What the fuck do you think im gunna say to that shit?

And blaaahs im pretty sure whats goin on still has to do with the subject, but again theres a reason I did not post this in mature discussions and I never asked it be mvoed there so why was it?


edit: an arguement with you is one I cannot win
therefore if you have only something to say back to me there is no point.

[Hyper]

tl;dr

Seriously, I could only watch about 3 minutes before going back. I'm sure it's informative, just not my thing.

Excuse me? LOLOL

Ahaha. Wow. That kind of pisses me off.

I think it should be legal. You mentioned me just because I posted that link to above the influence stuff, didn't you? I told you that I didn't agree with the commercials about pot. You need to pay attention. I don't care either way..

I'd rather it be legal than illegal, but as of right now its illegal.

And no, I will not be watching that video because I don't give a damn. I don't plan on smoking pot in my life time, but I know people who have and do and I don't judge them for it in anyway.

Tch.

LOL. <3

[Blaaaaaaaah]

And blaaahs im pretty sure whats goin on still has to do with the subject, but again theres a reason I did not post this in mature discussions and I never asked it be mvoed there so why was it?

It was not staying on topic because it went on about how to debate and who would debate better rather than about marijuana.

We moved it because we figured this thread will go in a better direction if it had been posted in Mature Discussions. It had turned into a nice debate about whether marijuana should be legalized or not as well as touching on the topic about the effects of it (which is what your OP was about).

Had it been left in MoS, the posts may not have turned out so pretty and we would have closed it and there goes your effort.

However if you'd like, I'll move it back to MoS as per OP's request. Though if anything "bad" starts, we won't be trying to put the flames down like we do here because we hope for a good discussion in MD, but not in MoS.

Also, don't double post. You've done it twice in this thread already and you know you can't double post here.

[MikeyG]

Keep it here as theres still people would I guess could debate it.
Though people keep seeming to miss my point of posting. ( glad some people dont have their heads in their asses and see why though )

As for double posting yeah I've been a naughty boy.

It's a shame that most people won't look at the subject with an open mind.

As we saw.

[Hyper]

It benefits the people who DON'T smoke weed or use marijuana or whatever (can't watch video, so answer is just based on comments).

I don't know about other people, but personally, I would not like to be around people who are high or "relaxed." It scares the sh-t out of me. Even if you argue that you're "in control", how would a bystander know? It even freaks me out seeing people walk around drunk or attempting to drive a car. Call me sheltered or whatever, it's just that I don't want to face these kind of risky situations and I'd rather stay on the safe side. Even if I'm not doing these kind of things, other people who ARE still affect ME.

So if it's illegal, it will most likely dissuade people from trying out weed and marijuana. If there's less people who do weird stuff, then there's less of a chance that they will affect innocent people right? ;/

I also agree.

Plus it just annoys me when people act like complete idiots.

[MikeyG]

Everyone needs to act like an idiot once in a while.
If not I should tell you to pull the stick out of your ass and do it.

[Manzcar]

Mikey I understand the point of your thread. You want to show people that think Weed is evil that it isn’t. Weed is cool, fun, enjoyable, and isn’t really that harmful. Your point of view is somewhat of a sheltered point of view from what you have said though. From what you have told everyone your mom makes really great money, and keeping that in mind, would mean that you live in a really nice neighborhood, go to a really safe school, and lack for nothing in life. So your experiences with weed are getting high, watching TV, laughing, and eating a bag of chips. You bright and shining colors to paint a picture when it comes to Weed.

But there are many colors that can be used to paint this picture and some of them are dark and dingy. I grew up in an inner city where drugs were plentiful and the things I saw were not all laughs and fun.

1. Man gets high abducts a six year old by knife point and forces the little boy to do things only taking breaks to smoke a little more weed. Man lets the boy go but tells him that if he says anything that the Man would kill the boys family.

2. Man gets high and beats his wife and kids.

3. Man gets high and molests his wife’s little brother.

4. Kids get high and drive their car off a bridge.

5. Kid gets high and decides to see what would happen if he jumped off the top of a house.

6. Man needs to smoke weed so bad that he gets high the night before a urine test. He ends up going to jail for breaking his probation.

7. Man who decides that weed just isn’t enough so he moves on to cocaine, meth, and crack.

These are not in any statistics. The above are just a few real life events that may not make up the norm of what happens when a person gets high. But they have happened and do happen. So, if you really want more knowledge about the subject, you should try and not be so closed minded to others beliefs and experiences. If you think it’s all flowers and sunshine then fine, but don’t try and trivialize the experiences of others.

Ohhh and before you ask I was involved personally to every event in the list. You see I’m not myopic on this subject. I have real life to support my beliefs. They aren’t born from church, government, or emotionalism; it’s born from real life experience not any propaganda.

So if you really want to be knowledgeable about the entire picture, you have to also see the dark underbelly that drugs have. Yes, even pot.

I know that what I say will fall on deaf ears because in my experience the most closed minded people I have ever met are the people that scream that others are being closed minded. These “open minded” people only believe you to be open minded if you change your views and beliefs to match theirs. If you have your own views and beliefs then you are closed minded or have been brainwashed by government, church, or other organizations. Because you couldn’t possibly believe the way you do if it were not true. HUH how closed minded of them to believe others can’t come to their own conclusions.


On the topic of making pot legal, I have no opinion. My only point is that people should truly “Learn before they judge”, and that means to understand all points of view not just their own. And once they have seen all sides then they should be free to make there own conclusions.

[MikeyG]

since i dont feel like argueing I shall say your stories are pretty bullshit.
Number one marijuana has no addictive chemicals so only
people who are easily addicted are in turn gunna be addicted.
it again falls back on the user and not the drug.
Your number two story is just plain stupid but im tired its early
and dont feel like argueing so ill stop here seeing as people will still think what they want to. And you may think I only believe my side of it etc but I have spent countless hours learning about marijuana and no quite a bit on the subject and thats why I can say that marijuana would never be the cause of some already crazy fucker with severe problems whos goin off to rape his fucking wife.

and actually i've not always lived in a decent sized house or had things handed to me.
There was time before my mom was with my step dad, before her promotions where i was living in a basement suit. I still hang around the same people, been around lots of people that have had rough lives... I hang out downtown where im from at a part where crack heads are sitting on the corner from the bus sstop, im sure loveless has heard of langley center and its "dangers". On top of this my dad was an alcholic and a coke user who hit my mom. So I have seen the good and bad in drugs ofcourse. But in the end with pot it all comes down to the person and not the drug, because the drug is not mind altering and does not make you do something stupid like when you are drunk.



And about those stories, I don't wanna seem like a heartless dick who doesnt give a rats ass but all those stories can relate back to the people.


As for the first story, hmm maybe the man did rails before he went, cause often if there doin other drugs people usually smoke dope still.
( i've sold weed to alot of jib/crack heads )

I see theres both sides and where other people see it from but see it from a stoners point of view who has spent hours researching pot. Hours watching movies, I've had long conversations with thee "marijuana man" and marc emery while I'm blazin at the BCMP and I know its negative effects and for someone to beat there fuckin kids over it well that man is already fucked in the head before the weed. not weeds fault, mans fault ;P

[Manzcar]

you are absolutely right it isnt the drug that makes them do it no more than alcohol makes a person beat his wife. It just gives them the inhibitions to do what they want with out regards to how it effects others.

I am not arguing at all. I am just saying that there are other experiences out there. You say that no one has ever been hurt by pot. but would the guy who abducted me as a child done it sober. would he held me by knife point and abused me if he was sober. Yes it wasn't pot that made him do it. I never said it was. It just gives sick people the guts to do what they want.

But I am glad you are open minded enough to see others points of view... ohh wait your not.

so using your line of thinking it isn't the coke or alcohol that causes people to beat their wife it is just the person.

[Vasu]

^ I don't see what's wrong with Mikey's argument here. He says that marijuana doesn't make you beat your kids any more than you normally would. Or any more that alcohol would. Isn't that it?