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12-13-2007, 12:07 PM
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Bored Imp
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To be true, I'm thinking the two sides of this discussion are talking about completely seperate situations:
Those saying that clerics should do what they want are thinking of those that literally abuse the class. I'm speaking of warriors who refuse to buy or use stones in KQs. I'm speaking of that mage that aggos a mob, nearly dies, then spends the next 20 minutes running at 30 hp screaming "CLERIC HEAL!" I'm ESPECIALLY talking about Mr:
"RESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESR ESRESRESRES
RESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRE SRESRESRES
RESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRESRE SRESRESRES
RESRESRESRESRESRESRESRES..." ad nausium
This WHILE I was doing the res.
This occuring EVERY TIME he died.
To everyone: does it make sense that a cleric should NOT have to casually take this? Doesn't it make sense that clerics should have the right NOT to heal under these conditions?
Now, those that are talking about the cleric's job are speaking of those who do NOTHING to help their teammates. I'm talking about the only cleric in a KQ whacking on the boss while the one tanking said boss dies. I'm talking about the ones who expect the warrior to tank, the archer and mage to DD properly, and for themselves to just sit back and enjoy the show. I'm especially talking about KQs where people run out of lives because no one wanted to res:
Yes, there were clerics with res,
No, there was NOT a fight going on, we had just finished a fight with marlone
No, there wasn't so much as said a cross word to the clerics: I was a cleric, though without res and most that happened was a quick "res please" after the boss ran at us, but NO rudeness.
They just sat there and mushroomed at full health till the person faded out.
To everyone, when you're in a party, doesn't it make sense to do what helps out the party? Does it really help the KQ if everyone is dying and fading out because, and ONLY because "I don't have to heal you"?
So how about a compromise? Everyone, clerics, non clerics, everyone: if you are part of a group, do what helps the group. If you aren't a cleric, carry healing items so the cleric can focus on cases were stones/pots isn't enough, be ready to pull aggro off your mates (warrior) or NOT pull too much aggro (archer/mage) so that everyone doesn't end up dead, and for goodness sakes don't be an ##$hole. If you are a cleric, be ready to heal because potions only heal so much, stones run out fast, and we all know that, in a real fight, once you stop the party is good as dead.
And lastly, #$%holes should be treated accordingly, whether they are a spoiled warrior or an egostical cleric (and honestly, aren't they the same thing in the end, no matter the class?).
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12-13-2007, 12:43 PM
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WONDERARCHER
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Clerics are the glue of the party. A good party has everyone working together AND having fun at the same time. Clerics don't have to heal all the time - just that they should heal when necessary. If a party member is dropping below half health shouldn't they be healed already? I think that clerics should be oblidged to do what they want outside of a party, unless it includes being rude at someone for no reason. Inside a party, they should ACT like a member of the party. That means healing/rezing someone when necessary. And besides, who would want to just watch a member die? I'd feel guilty if I did that.
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12-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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sane, so says the voices
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As clarification: I have NEVER, and will NEVER refuse to heal my party, in or out of a KQ. On the one occasion that I was actually in a party where the tank was ugly to me because I simply could not heal her fast enough (and it appeared that she was not assisting her heals at all) and got mad at me because she died and was hateful I simply dropped from the party and solo'd the rest of the way randomly clicking & healing rather than feel an obligation to heal her when her hp line went down. Granted I did not get as much exp from that KQ, but I no longer felt the obligation to keep someone healed who was that disrespectful to me.
I have lost many parties because the aggro was to great for us to overcome. I know the other members of the party were stoning & potting because their hp would go up when I was healing someone else. Basically that is a case of "$hit happens" (sorry to my party mates who have died - even Patches, cuz I now you thinks we kilz you on purpose).
My comments are simply to say we can and we will, but we do not have to heal anyone who is disrepectful and/or hateful to us. I don't even ask that you call my name when you ask for a heal, rez or buff, but please do include a "please".
Whatever you do, just don't scream at me and call me names because that's when you cease to be visible on my radar.
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12-14-2007, 04:59 AM
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Dead Tree Soul
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but when outside a party, the cleric does not have an obligation to heal or buff rude people you know? and the cleric has every right to leave a party too...
as a cleric i do know how to look at the left of my screen and constantly monitor allies health, so there arent much problems (other then the time my noob mage friend was "too lazy to move away and attack from a distance", but thats something else altogether...). i just dont like those outside the party and outside the kq who have no manners and spam me with buff requests or revive requests or party requests ("pls" not included).
although i still think those outside a cleric's party in kq should still be more polite in asking for revive, and understand the simple fact that revive has a 5 second cast time and 30 second cool time, and is unaffected by the amount of times you request for it, or the amount of 'zzzz's u put after 'rezzz plzzzz'. isnt it enough to just say once?
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12-14-2007, 05:25 AM
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Dead Tree Soul
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yeah true but some people dont seem to understand the terms "cool" and "cast time"... although some do know... btw how do u filter chat from specific people?
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