Cash shop items in GW - Page 7

+Tequila+ · 12-03-2007, 09:20 AM

As it was never my intention to flame anyone in the first place opinions mean next to nothing to me. But your little summary of me Meek is pretty wrong. GG no Re. I flamed after someone tried to dismiss my statements with whatever little knowledge they have of the game and also tell someone I was attacking them who in turned pmed me on msn bothering me about what I should do next time. But anyways back to the topic at hand:

Okay with the current cashshop items 100k pots ,100% upgrade stones, a Charm of Strength and hp extenders which should be 20% now *I'm not sure how much they are anymore* a cashshop user should* this is all just theory* have +9 armor and +9 weapons and around 3-4kish Hp *counting him being buffed of course unless he/she is a mage or archer whose hp will of course be lower*. Now factor the current pvp system into that equation. I'd have to do the math but I'm pretty sure a cash shop user with those eqs could tank about 8-9 people and prolly drop all of them. If thats not changing the outcome of pvp unfairly in favor of cashshop users I dont know what is. It may not matter to most of you now but you shouldnt think for now you should think down the road. Like when the KQ's are fully implemented * I think theres a pvp based one or it might only be a dungeon or that could simply be a bright kingdom only thing* These KQs/ Guild Wars will matter alot.

Xylem · 12-03-2007, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by +Tequila+

As it was never my intention to flame anyone in the first place opinions mean next to nothing to me. But your little summary of me Meek is pretty wrong. GG no Re. I flamed after someone tried to dismiss my statements with whatever little knowledge they have of the game and also tell someone I was attacking them who in turned pmed me on msn bothering me about what I should do next time. But anyways back to the topic at hand:

Okay with the current cashshop items 100k pots ,100% upgrade stones, a Charm of Strength and hp extenders which should be 20% now *I'm not sure how much they are anymore* a cashshop user should* this is all just theory* have +9 armor and +9 weapons and around 3-4kish Hp *counting him being buffed of course unless he/she is a mage or archer whose hp will of course be lower*. Now factor the current pvp system into that equation. I'd have to do the math but I'm pretty sure a cash shop user with those eqs could tank about 8-9 people and prolly drop all of them. If thats not changing the outcome of pvp unfairly in favor of cashshop users I dont know what is. It may not matter to most of you now but you shouldnt think for now you should think down the road. Like when the KQ's are fully implemented * I think theres a pvp based one or it might only be a dungeon or that could simply be a bright kingdom only thing* These KQs/ Guild Wars will matter alot.

Are you talking about 1 person taking on 8-9 people of the same level? If you are, then Outspark needs to do something about the cashshop.

Fr0Z3nWind · 12-03-2007, 11:50 AM

ahhhh tequila =)
i seen 1 non-cash person taking on 5 people (1 of them is cash)
it is possible if u did you stuff rightly

and i doubt outspark is going to do anything
it's their source of money, but i'm not saying they are money-face
please do not get the wrong idea
and if they did that
other servers or version (korean etc etc, forgot wad it's called)
has to change too

best we could do is post a appeal....(forgot wad's it's called, will edit once i remember)

Lafieru · 12-03-2007, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Triumph

To be honest, Mont'ka, if you want to have a decent Guild War, then go for one with rules. Go request a war from one of the more respectable guilds, ask them to not use cash shop items. I don't think many guilds who deem themselves "honorable" would refuse that.

Win.

rokaraged · 12-03-2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Fr0Z3nWind

Hmmm.... cud i have a saying please?
Probably get flamed again though

So....if ur considering CS item a "cheat" in GW
imagine this you are a warrior
verus another warrior
you have normal equip +0
he has a sword +5
will u call him a cheat just because u dont have money to buy elrunes n lix and the weapon again if u break it?
(not adding +9 as those are 87% cash item refined)

It is called "using what you have"
if u disagree with it
u might as well tell the Game Scripter/Creator to give archers,mages,clerics
AoE stun too
so-on-and-so-forth

Although i have no cash item
I have to make a stand in saying
no flames thx
onli discussion

Life is never fair, some people get the upper hand
It is if u could find a way to go round it
Not complaining about it

1. You forgetting the POINT of this thread. Its talking about how the already broken aspect of PVP (yet still enjoyable) is getting FLUSHED DOWN THE DRAIN. If you seen battle's it already takes an age to kill someone but with the extenders and other cash shop items its impossible to get a kill at ALL even if you OUTNUMBER the enemy

2. And if i was to RETURN the argument anyway
If i had a hack
According to your argument using that would be "using what i have" and hence not a cheat.

Originally Posted by Xylem

Are you talking about 1 person taking on 8-9 people of the same level? If you are, then Outspark needs to do something about the cashshop.

I was about to argue against ur previous post, but I'm glad u got my point.

Lafieru · 12-03-2007, 03:09 PM

As for taking GWs seriously or not seriously:

1v1s I never took seriously, although maybe that's just because I'm a cleric. No one wants to 1v1 me, and I don't blame them~ I wouldn't want to 1v1 me either ~_~

GWs I'd take more seriously if levels didn't matter so much. I seriously believe they should use special pvp formulas to calculate damage, because it's sad how much a difference of even 5-10 levels can make. Something that evens the playing ground for everyone would, IMO, make GWs more fun for everyone.

**Lilian** · 12-03-2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lafieru

GWs I'd take more seriously if levels didn't matter so much. I seriously believe they should use special pvp formulas to calculate damage, because it's sad how much a difference of even 5-10 levels can make. Something that evens the playing ground for everyone would, IMO, make GWs more fun for everyone.

Agreed. Not to mention there should be a purpose to the whole GW'ing.

Whenever new people ask me ingame how I can pvp, and I tell them "it's GW, you can't pvp in this game other than by declaring GW", they usually always ask me what the winning party gets. And I have to answer "well they don't get anything. the satisfaction of pvp I guess? >.>" to which they reply "that's dumb." or something to the effect.

And I do NOT blame them at all. Like I said before, compare this game's pvp to, say, Lineage 2 or WoW, and you see what I'm talking about.

rokaraged · 12-03-2007, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lafieru

GWs I'd take more seriously if levels didn't matter so much. I seriously believe they should use special pvp formulas to calculate damage, because it's sad how much a difference of even 5-10 levels can make. Something that evens the playing ground for everyone would, IMO, make GWs more fun for everyone.

How do you suppose they can do this? The only system that i've seen this work is in Guild Wars (the other game, ironic huh?) with the lvl 20 cap.

It also discourages the work( or the plvls) the higher levels put into the game.

I've tried explaining Lilian but i'm afraid you won't understand if I tried again...

Originally Posted by Triumph

To be honest, Mont'ka, if you want to have a decent Guild War, then go for one with rules. Go request a war from one of the more respectable guilds, ask them to not use cash shop items. I don't think many guilds who deem themselves "honorable" would refuse that.

.

We try all the time
But what if we were randomly declared on?
Honor could have already been thrown out considering theres nothing preventing 8 guilds to wage a war on 1.

Not only that we sometimes war against people who train us because we have no choice.

Fr0Z3nWind · 12-03-2007, 03:25 PM

rokaraged not gonna start a flame war or anything but just like to point 1 thing out IF u allow
no offence

this is there difference which i thought it's obvious
Fighting GW by LEGAL means
no hacks
cash item allowed

if they have such money to waste on their 100k hp pots, just let them be

i'll stop here seeing how dangerous it is getting

rokaraged · 12-03-2007, 03:29 PM

Flame war?
Sorry I had no intent if you were offended

Just pointing holes in arguments
If This was a better arguement, what if a person had allies? Just like cash shop items 2 guilds could gang up on one and thus ruin the experience further.

Just because u have something doesn't mean you should use it.