Low level in KQ = selfish?

[Lilian]

I don't think it's so much the level of the character as it is the level of the brain controlling it. There can be higher leveled characters who can't tank if their life depended on it... while a person who is maybe 5-10 level below them will try their best to help the team. You shouldn't consider low leveled = selfish. Because whomever those low leveled ones you met that you considered selfish will eventually just become high leveled selfish people.

ie. The Honeying KQ, I've heard that to win the KQ with flying colors you need a good tank, 1-2 clerics, and the rest mages. But does that mean Archers should never join because the rest considered them to be of no use? I just think people who think that way are selfish.

While I do agree with most of your views, it must be said that in this game, level really does matter alot. There's no denying it. No matter how skilled you are, if you're a level 9 tank and there's another tank level 14, there's no question which of you is going to do the tanking. :P

In the end, Fiesta has very little that a person needs to be skilled to do. Some can be ignorant (i.e. a tank who does not use taunts because "they do no dmg.") but these are really the only exceptions.

[Hamfast]

I think it's more to do with the player... a Higher Level can leech, a low level can do their best... the player (as stated above, the Brain controlling) is the difference...

Will a well played Level 14 do better then a well played level 9? sure, but I think I would rather have that well played level 9 with me then a level 14 who stands back and adds nothing.

[undeadmith]

i am low lvl (14) and in the king slime kq it sucks caus if they say all heal blablabla caus he is main tank at boss they never look at their party -__-
so clerics that are healing the tank don't heal anyone else and that caused me to die 3 times so i lost kq so yea some are selfish those who are not are really fun people and btw i aint selfish i never atk a mob that is already under atk (unless the take mine away :P )

[Allissa]

Here are my views on the whole thing. While I am still pretty much a noob myself (highest character is only level 28), and I have not seen the bigger KQs yet, I have seen a ton of the slime, mara, and GH KQs.

Joining a KQ in and of itself is not a selfish act. Dont care what level you are. This game is supposed to be a fun way to be social. While I do admit that level does play a lot in the success, it is not the only factor, and I will also admit that I have a lot more fun when we win the KQs.

I do however have to admit that I have had an absolute blast in a KQ that we lost. I was at level 15 with my fighter, highest fighter in the KQ by oh I dont know about 8 levels :P, and we only had 1 cleric that was like level 7 as well. Long story short, we made it all the way to the end, killed the king, but only had 3 people left including myself, and died to the rest. It was my last life, and the clerics last life. Needless to say, we failed. But the fact that we got as far as we did, and killed the king, when everything was stacked against us really surprised me. I honestly remember that I was the only person above level 11 in that one. Enough of the fun aspect, on to the winning aspect.

I want to argue one point. I did a GH the other day with 3 other warriors, I was level 27 all 3 of the others were over level 30. I ended up tanking and did a wonderful job. So the whole thing about higher levels always tanking doesnt always apply. Only real true argument I had to make.

As far as greed. I dont feel that someone that is level 5 or 6 joining slime is greedy, unless they sit back at the spawn and just want the free 5 levels and chest. That is greedy. Just like I dont think someone joining mara at 17 is greedy, again unless they sit at the spawn point. What I think is truely greedy are the 4 people that we had in one mara KQ that didnt have any armor or weapons.....wtf is that? And their response "Oh I broke it right before KQ"....so ummmm brains people, buy another one? Or better yet, just dont join. People like that on top of people that sit at the spawn point are the epidemy of greed. They joined the KQ with no gear or weapon in hopes of something decent dropping out of their chest.

anyways I am really starting to ramble, and my entire sentence structure is screwed by now. LOL. hope I didnt upset anyone but this is just the way I feel about it. I attempt to join every KQ I can because I have an absolute blast in them. I came from a very big raid/pvp guild in WoW, and before that I was in one of the strongest raid guilds in EQ. I enjoy getting together with loads of other people and just walking over top of an entire city ....carrnage...get some....its fun... I have been in some really bad KQs that we somehow won, and I have been in a few that were an absolute blast that we lost.

Oh crap I did have one more point to bring up. This happened just the other day in GH. We ended up finding the last key about 45 seconds before time was up. On the other side of the map completely from the gate. Needless to say we failed. 5 or 6 people started yelling about the whole KQ being noobs and thanks for wasting their ******* time. Ok cool, well it would have been....if those 5 or 6 people, plus 3 others hadnt been sitting at the final gate while doing absolutely nothing while the rest of us were out trying to find the key. No wonder we didnt win...People do your part, be a team, help out the lower guys, and dont be asses and all will be good. Another perfect example of good team work no matter what levels. Fighter, I was level 21 at the time, tanked mara, 1 cleric, 2 mages, 2 archers, 10 fighters, the highest levels other than me were the cleric and the mages, all 3 were around 24 iirc. we walked through, blasted our way to the end, killed mara and marlone in 2 beautiful pulls with me tanking. and still had about 25 minutes to spare. Now I know thats not the fastest, I completed it at level 25 with 34 minutes to spare, but look at the odds and the numbers. It was pretty amazing, no one even thought we would come close. That just backs up the brains over numbers statement thats all. Ok seriously sorry this is so long.

[Aery]

Well, failure happens anytime and anywhere, so it wouldn't be right by blaming it on the low levels. The whole point of KQ is team work, whether what levels or classes you are. Is always nice to be confident in it being a succeed but don't always aim too high.

I'll use Robo KQ as my example since that's the only one I participate in, regularly. I didn't really participated until I'd reached lvl 38+ because I find it a waste of scrolls, after having to die at least 10 times. But I have always wonder as to why robo [A] takes the longest to recruit while [B] & [C] are fast. Then I was told that [A] was full of low levels, so would you consider those who only join [B] & [C], selfish?

As far as I know, as long as the KQ have enough cleric, a good tank and decent amount of damage dealers, and team work, it would work. This is a game, and as long as you try your best in KQ, be proud.

[Albireo]

Allissa im sorry but i didnt read your whole post :P (it was really long)
But i agree with what i read,
I think that its not lvl but maybe experience.
If you have a tank who does NOT know how to tank... bye bye mages xD
same with pullers and clerics. if they dont know what there doing then they wont do what they should hense them doing nothing.

just as an example of how lvl doesnt matter,
I was in GH KQ and we had hardly any time left before the last giant Graverobber and were about 1/4 away from the exit when we get the key,
a lvl 31 (i think it was that) runs back the way we came the LONG way
and loooonnng story short we run out of time right when he makes it to the gate costing us the KQ.
He was a noob, i mean the whole time he kept saying he was all that and was horrible at tanking (not using skill while fighting) but he was high lvl,
and low lvled people were much more of a help.
(m turning into a hypocrit this is pretty long)
Soo i think it all matters on if you know what to do.

[Stryfe]

Well, if you base things around circumstance, it's not really being selfish.

There are many instances in where KQ's will fail due to an insufficient group. Too many Clerics, Not enough damagers, not enough clerics, no tanks, etc. Also, due to a wide pool of people to enter KQs now, its really not being selfish at all to join a KQ at a low lvl, because if you don't, some other person will.

I agree that being a lower level means a minimal contribution, especially in Mini Dragon KQ, and you're a low lvl fighter. However, in the end, it can't truely be called selfish due to chance and the overall set up of Kindgom Quests. Although some classes are more useless in certain KQs at lower lvls, level limits were set for a reason.

I'm not quite sure if I even made sense to myself, so disregard this comment if you're all "huh? O_o"

[Hessah]

WOW everyone have so much to say.. i'm proud to say i read about 95% of Allissa's post and totally agree.

The level limits are there for a reason, they've already stopped to lvl 1-32 from joining robo, isnt that good enough? (apparently not but i dont really have a problem with it)

But i guess the story changes a bit with Honeying KQ as there's only a limit of 10 people... but no one joins anyway, so you may as well hv some lower levels to help fill the gap.

Cant comment on the dragon KQ coz i cant get in yet ><

Anyway, I just wanna mention after reading undeadmith's post
@undeadmith It is normal that people only heal the tank and not their party members during KQ, party members should pots/stones themselves unless there's many spare clerics around. (a tank will need at least 3 clerics)

And there's no such thing as KSing in KQ... you're suppose to put your force together and kill mobs faster... so its nice u go and tank a mob thats not already being attacked, but its also OK to help kill other mobs, if a lot are already atking.

[Allissa]

Anyway, I just wanna mention after reading undeadmith's post
@undeadmith It is normal that people only heal the tank and not their party members during KQ, party members should pots/stones themselves unless there's many spare clerics around. (a tank will need at least 3 clerics)

And there's no such thing as KSing in KQ... you're suppose to put your force together and kill mobs faster... so its nice u go and tank a mob thats not already being attacked, but its also OK to help kill other mobs, if a lot are already atking.

this brings up a really good point as well. KQs are supposed to be about team work. The only time that anyone other than the tank should even be getting hit is when there are multiple mobs. This happens quite a bit in slime and mara, mainly because people want to rush them. Which is all good and fine dont get me wrong, when it works. But if you are going to rush a KQ dont whine if you dont get healed, or you end up dying.

All of the KQs I have been in, the only time the main tank is the only one being healed is on a boss. from what I have seen in mara and GH so far, if you are not the main tank, and you are getting hit by a boss, you are doing something wrong. There is a blind spot on every boss I have encountered so far that you can stand in and keep from getting hit by the AOE. I dont know if this is by design or flaw...no clue, but its there.

KQs are like raids from EQ and WoW. Everyone does their job properly and things go smooth. First time I went to Molten Core playing WoW we died horribly cause no one knew what they were doing, and it took us about 5 hard raiding days to finish it. The last time I went before I quit, we cleared molten core in about 5 hours with 2 deaths. The teamwork was just that good.

Case in point, learn early what you need to do. Find out what your job is going to be, and just do it. Dont try and be a hero unless asked to. I dont care if clerics fight, as long as they heal. I dont mind if mages swing their wands or staves, as long as they nuke to. archers, fighters, your job is simple...attack....main tank yours is to, stand in front of mob, swing weapon, hit taunt, dont run out of SP for taunt :P. LOL sorry another long post.

[O-mie]

I think its more selfish for higher levels to join and idle (Sadly I've seen this A LOT in Robo, especially with clerics or mages) than for a lower level to join and try their best =p