Deity Existence

Jikanu · 05-01-2009, 10:22 PM

...Im an anarchist, and think that wall street is pointless... so no O_O

And it's not baseless, no more so than dark energy, now is it?

EDIT: i should clarify.

Dark Energy is something that they think exists, but they have no proof of, dont understand, and dont know what it is. How is that any more plausible than my theory?

**Hraesvelg** · 05-01-2009, 10:36 PM

If you think that there is no evidence to support the existence of dark energy you're either being purposefully obtuse or just unfamiliar with the science behind it. Which, really, I can't really blame you. The stuff like dark energy and matter is hard to get a handle on without a very firm grasp of calculus. I understand just enough to get by on the topic in a fairly informal manner. If you'd like, I can contact one of my friends that is nearly finished with his graduate studies in Astrophysics to contact you and walk you through it.

BDex: No chance. Too many skeletons in the closet, heh. That bit I posted earlier wasn't mine, though, just something I came across in a discussion thread on another site. I've thought I could be a speech-writer, though.

Jikanu · 05-01-2009, 10:46 PM

I havent read too far into the subject, im sorry to say... so it was probably somewhat noobish of me to bring it up. i guess a better example would be string theory, or quantum mechanics, since there's no definitive proof or disproof of them.

**Hraesvelg** · 05-01-2009, 10:54 PM

Granted, the vast majority of the stuff on the bleeding edge of science has a good bit of speculation involved, but that's sort of how science works. The scientist aren't saying "THIS IS EXACTLY HOW QUANTUM MECHANICS WORKS, IT WILL BE LIKE THIS FOREVER, BELIEVE IT INFIDEL/HERETIC!" They say, "The evidence we've gathered fits this particular model. We are always observing and gathering more evidence that will either strengthen or weaken this model. If this model proves to be false, another model will be created until all evidence and observations support the model." That is the fundamental difference between how science works and how religion works. Religion says "THIS IS THE LAW. BELIEVE IT OR BURN." There are some Eastern religions that don't have that sort of judgemental bent, obviously, but we've been primarily focused on the Big Three Abrahamic religions when we've veered from the actual topic on if there is a diety of some sort that exists.

Jikanu · 05-01-2009, 10:57 PM

Not all religious people are like that... as i said in my first post in this thread, we all have about the same chance of being right.

Plus, there's the theory of Universal Salvation...

**Hraesvelg** · 05-01-2009, 11:02 PM

See, that is where you are absolutely, 100%, completely and utterly wrong. There is NOT the same chance either is right. There is a chance, yes, but not nearly the same. With every piece of evidence and observation gathered, the probability tilts in the favor of there not being a supernatural creator-being, seeing as there isn't ANY actual repeatable observation and evidence that one does exist.

Jikanu · 05-01-2009, 11:03 PM

But once again, you can say that the Deity that created us used science and stuff. there's been nothing that makes him/her/it any less likely of existing.