Mage rant.

[Miriamele]

If you're in a corridor and you are being pursued, the person HAS to go through said corridor to reach you or waste time going around while you wait for your CDs. Cover it with a nova. It slows them down. Choose your fighting spots in a war wisely... believe it or not, even fighters have to deal with luck. We're not all rolling our faces on our keyboards... it's just that we have more room for error than mages. And mages have things we don't have. That's how it works.

Besides, pvp is not the only aspect in this game. Mages can't solo well, we know that. Likewise, fighters can't really AoE well (WW doesn't count, deva is nice but still not entirely spammable). And post-60 leveling mainly consists of AoE parties. Guess what? Means a lot of people calling for mages or clerics in places like TR. Fighters are less preferred in AoE parties because they can't AoE. Their tanking abilities go downhill after 60 (imho, the one rantworthy broken aspect of fighters) and consequently everybody is a DD. But we still can't DD mobs as well as mages can. We take less damage generally but if I'm duoing with a cleric and another group is duoing mage/cleric, assuming we're both pulling decent and equal-sized mobs, I can pretty much guarantee that mage will be done before I am. That's the way mages are.

[Sero]

My mage is level 72. I can take down fighters around my level, assuming they aren't CS-ed to hell and back. Clerics are tough, but with a few crits I came close to killing Blah's level 72 cleric. I haven't fought against many archers 1 on 1, though.

I have no +9 armour, only a +9 blue staff.

Than they just suck. And for your information, I have no +9 armor either. My gear is all mediocre. I would love to get better gear but my only source of income is occasionally doing King Kong Phino and praying I don't end up dead three times.

Any reaction to this? lol ^^

[Hessah]

This is what I hate. No one will ever defend a Mage but instead point out all of it's supposed "pros" while comparing it to other classes that can't do the exact same things. Well no shit! If they did the same thing as me, again, what purpose would we serve? None, as I have stated before.

Aren't you doing the same thing? You want the ability of other classes. Then what purposes would they serve?

Mages DO have the power, mages DO have the skills, mages DO have the range. The biggest part of being a mage is AOE and if you cant use that skill then no wonder YOU'RE underpowered.

Than they just suck. And for your information, I have no +9 armor either. My gear is all mediocre. I would love to get better gear but my only source of income is occasionally doing King Kong Phino and praying I don't end up dead three times.

LOL!! No one I know from KKP will die with no one to revive them causing them to be spawned out of KQ. Unless they're jerks.


What more variety in skills do you want? Mage get TWO AOEs, a big range of attack spells, fear, Mana Burn, slowness, steal skill, cancel skills. A WHOLE RANGE of PVE and PVP skills. What more do you want? Just because you can't make the skills effective does not mean they are useless.

[Hraesvelg]

Relying on friends is a no-no. So for the most part, you're forced to solo with the above mentioned gear.

Just because you're a bitter malcontent that can't pull his head out of his ass long enough to find a guild or a friend doesn't mean everyone else is like that.

The basic thrust of your argument is "I want mages to be more powerful, damn the consequences to the other classes."

The PVP in this game is a serious afterthought to the squad-based PvE. It was designed to be in the form of Guild Wars, still squad-based fighting. You can't hold your own against a fighter? Guess what. You're not supposed to. You've got to coordinate your actions with your squad or guild. You slow a fighter, another fighter stuns them, then you can unleash holy hell on him. This PVP isn't based on dueling. If you're looking for that, you're in the wrong game.

I also like the irony of you telling people that you won't play another class, yet turning around and telling people to play a level 71 mage. You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. Most of these people that are disagreeing with your points DO play mages as well as the other classes. They have an understanding of the various strengths and weaknesses of the various classes and how they balance. Your ignorance is glaring. Also, oddly familiar. But that's another topic.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Please keep the flames down.

[Enraya]

Here's my wall of text. xD

Cool downs
Dammit, why do I have to wait six minutes for NS to cool down when it is only a one minute buff? And god, it doesn't even help anyways cause I'm using all my other skills! ):
If you don't like the cooldown of a skill, then don't use it. Like you said, it has practically no use besides PvP. I'm pretty sure you have at least three or four other spells to use during cooldown time.
As for using level 1 spells, er, why are you complaining about it? The reason mages use level 1 spells is that it dishes out the most damage in a certain amount of time. And what's more, you use less sp. Your damage isn't affected too much either because mage spells are based off mdmg. You should be happy about this. This is coming from an archer that uses 1k SP killing one blue trumpy with almost all her skills. If you really are annoyed with your spells, trade with me. I guarantee you'll want them back in an hour. (;

Damage
Your damage really depends on how you build your mage and if you CS. I've met mages that outdamage everybody else in the party, including the charmed+buffed+scrolled+egoboosted fighter. Then, I've met mages with a +9 blue which I can outdamage on my archer with a 6x bow. So if you think your damage is lacking, I say you should probably take a look at your equips and other mages' tactics.

Usefulness of Spells
Only going to talk about Nova and Inferno because I don't know anything else. xD
I don't know how you can call them only semi-useful. Even from an archer's point of view, I would love to have a mage in the party. Nova+Inferno dish out loads of damage. They also stack, so if there's more than one mage in the party, the damage won't be wasted (unlike the archer's AoEs ;/)
I agree that you can't kite with them, but you can definitely tank. Don't try arguing here. I've watched a mage tank an entire nox room in CP1 before, and that's not very easy to do with the nox's special attack. She had a blue +9, but that was it. She used nothing but her AoEs. As for me, I stayed in my little corner and watched her dominate all the mobs that spawned. xD
Go watch these kind of people before you complain. They are amazing. They are tankers, they are dd'ers, they are party players, they are solo'ers. If they can do it, then I'm sure you can. (;

Casting animations
Fighters are glitched. They aren't supposed to be able to cast skills like that. Right now, they can't cast one skill after another and ignore the animations, which make them heavily overpowered since they can dish out 2x the skills in the time other class cast one. So er, it's not a good example to compare to fighters.

Range
Archers have pretty much the same range as mages. Just be glad you can stay out of KKP's AoE. (:
And I've always thought that "range" should be in the archer's domain.

Kiting
Lmao, no. Mages are supposed to be a support class: dish out heavy damage from behind a tank. Or, if they want to, they can be a tanker mage and take on all the mobs while dishing out heavy damage as well. xD But kiting? What do you want to do, merge archers and mages? Archers have a reason to be there, not just for "variety." Archers= snipe, range, kite. Mages= damage, support/tank, no kite.

Stones
Agreed with you. Both archers and mages have very few stones for some reason. o_o

Ending comments
Mages, imo, are the most balanced class compared to the other classes. There's clerics, who is next to invincible (with the right tactics and gear) one on one, but with such low damage uncharmed that it's hard to take down anyone. There's fighters, who are currently the tankers, DDers, and best PvPers (nerfnerfnerf~ TT__TT). There's archers, who have very little skills and have only recently begun to get partied since BR needs archers and AoE's can now be cast while running. Mages are juuusttt right. It's not that mages are underpowered, like you said, it's just that other classes are not in balance with mages. Mages are the only ones who are living up to their description on Fiesta's site. ;/ So, I don't think you have much to complain about.

And one more thing:

As for PvE? You can only rarely get a group. Relying on friends is a no-no. So for the most part, you're forced to solo with the above mentioned gear. Oh and no cash shop items. Again, tell me how you fare. Because if you can do better than I can, than I will never complain about Mages again.

> bold part 1
Wait what? ._.
I don't know about you, but half the reason I played fiesta for friends. I solo'd a lot on my archer because I wanted to, not because I was forced to. And as a 7x mage, I'm sure you would be able to get parties, since I could get into parties as a 7x archer with a 6x bow and no Piercing yet. ._.

tl; dr
Mages are the most balanced. There's nothing much to complain about, except for stones and fighters just kidding. xD)

[FabledWaltz]

@Hraesvleg: Honestly, the idiocy of your statement makes me really wish I could just reach through my computer screen and slap you as hard as I possibly can. But, whatever. I think if anyone is a dick, it would be you. Resorting to insults just shows how immature you are.

@Everyone else: I'm tired of repeating myself so I'm done with it. You guys can believe whatever you want. If you want to live in your own little fantasy world and believe that everything is okay and balanced, than that is fine by me. Any who, can we get a Moderator to close this thread? I don't feel like having to come back here just to hear someone else whining about something I said.

[a.L]

The same applies to you, because you do not take anything on board. You just brush everything over. You are not always right.

If you actually read Hrae's post (instead of just telling everyone to read yours), you would realise that he is putting forward a valid argument, and not just throwing insults at you.

You can either take everyone's advice on board or you can continue to suck as a mage and blame the game. Your choice. I don't care anymore.

[FabledWaltz]

Suck as a Mage? I have been playing Mages longer than any of you. I know what I'm doing but I'm not blind enough to just believe everything is so perfectly balanced and wonderful. Seriously, have you noticed that 90% of these comments are people complaining about other classes (i.e. Cleric & Archers)? All they do is compare what they don't have in comparison to what Mages do have and make it seem like they're so horribly unbalanced some how. (Before you some how try to cleverly turn that around, don't. Be creative with your arguments.)

If anyone sucks at their class, it's these people. Clerics? I rarely ever hear them complain, same goes for Archers? Do you know why? Because they have no reason to. Mages? I hear plenty of us complaining and that obviously means something needs to be done. They once asked us Mages what we would like to see changed and do you know what they changed? Nothing. And just for your information, by "They", I mean Outspark.

As for Hraesvleg's post? He has no valid points. He believe that even the Free Battle Zone is supposed to be like Guild Wars. When the title clearly says otherwise. What his post does prove, is that he is immature and needs to work on getting some manners.

[Enraya]

^ Er, it would be nice if you worked on getting some manners too. >_>

You're not taking in any of our thoughts. Your attitude is killing this thread. There were actually some valid points in your post that I agreed with. If you don't want to change your views, then don't post this if you know people are going to contradict it. The whole point of posting in forums is to get other people's comments and feedback. Some people agreed, some people disagreed, and that's that. If somebody disagrees, you don't need to go all out on them.

And if you even bothered reading my wall of text, I didn't compare mages to any other class. ;/ I compared your complaints to what I watched other mages do, with and without CS. And from that, I concluded that mages are balanced because I've watched mages do what you say they could not do.

I don't mind if you don't reply to this. Just that next time, if you're not going to let thoughts other than yours soak into your head, then just don't post something that will get other people talking. It's called a forum because we discuss.