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Old 04-01-2009, 08:23 AM   #1
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Originally Posted by FabledWaltz View Post
Relying on friends is a no-no. So for the most part, you're forced to solo with the above mentioned gear.
Just because you're a bitter malcontent that can't pull his head out of his ass long enough to find a guild or a friend doesn't mean everyone else is like that.

The basic thrust of your argument is "I want mages to be more powerful, damn the consequences to the other classes."

The PVP in this game is a serious afterthought to the squad-based PvE. It was designed to be in the form of Guild Wars, still squad-based fighting. You can't hold your own against a fighter? Guess what. You're not supposed to. You've got to coordinate your actions with your squad or guild. You slow a fighter, another fighter stuns them, then you can unleash holy hell on him. This PVP isn't based on dueling. If you're looking for that, you're in the wrong game.

I also like the irony of you telling people that you won't play another class, yet turning around and telling people to play a level 71 mage. You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. Most of these people that are disagreeing with your points DO play mages as well as the other classes. They have an understanding of the various strengths and weaknesses of the various classes and how they balance. Your ignorance is glaring. Also, oddly familiar. But that's another topic.
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:26 AM   #2
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Old 04-01-2009, 08:57 AM   #3
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Here's my wall of text. xD

Cool downs
Dammit, why do I have to wait six minutes for NS to cool down when it is only a one minute buff? And god, it doesn't even help anyways cause I'm using all my other skills! ):
If you don't like the cooldown of a skill, then don't use it. Like you said, it has practically no use besides PvP. I'm pretty sure you have at least three or four other spells to use during cooldown time.
As for using level 1 spells, er, why are you complaining about it? The reason mages use level 1 spells is that it dishes out the most damage in a certain amount of time. And what's more, you use less sp. Your damage isn't affected too much either because mage spells are based off mdmg. You should be happy about this. This is coming from an archer that uses 1k SP killing one blue trumpy with almost all her skills. If you really are annoyed with your spells, trade with me. I guarantee you'll want them back in an hour. (;

Damage
Your damage really depends on how you build your mage and if you CS. I've met mages that outdamage everybody else in the party, including the charmed+buffed+scrolled+egoboosted fighter. Then, I've met mages with a +9 blue which I can outdamage on my archer with a 6x bow. So if you think your damage is lacking, I say you should probably take a look at your equips and other mages' tactics.

Usefulness of Spells
Only going to talk about Nova and Inferno because I don't know anything else. xD
I don't know how you can call them only semi-useful. Even from an archer's point of view, I would love to have a mage in the party. Nova+Inferno dish out loads of damage. They also stack, so if there's more than one mage in the party, the damage won't be wasted (unlike the archer's AoEs ;/)
I agree that you can't kite with them, but you can definitely tank. Don't try arguing here. I've watched a mage tank an entire nox room in CP1 before, and that's not very easy to do with the nox's special attack. She had a blue +9, but that was it. She used nothing but her AoEs. As for me, I stayed in my little corner and watched her dominate all the mobs that spawned. xD
Go watch these kind of people before you complain. They are amazing. They are tankers, they are dd'ers, they are party players, they are solo'ers. If they can do it, then I'm sure you can. (;

Casting animations
Fighters are glitched. They aren't supposed to be able to cast skills like that. Right now, they can't cast one skill after another and ignore the animations, which make them heavily overpowered since they can dish out 2x the skills in the time other class cast one. So er, it's not a good example to compare to fighters.

Range
Archers have pretty much the same range as mages. Just be glad you can stay out of KKP's AoE. (:
And I've always thought that "range" should be in the archer's domain.

Kiting
Lmao, no. Mages are supposed to be a support class: dish out heavy damage from behind a tank. Or, if they want to, they can be a tanker mage and take on all the mobs while dishing out heavy damage as well. xD But kiting? What do you want to do, merge archers and mages? Archers have a reason to be there, not just for "variety." Archers= snipe, range, kite. Mages= damage, support/tank, no kite.

Stones
Agreed with you. Both archers and mages have very few stones for some reason. o_o

Ending comments
Mages, imo, are the most balanced class compared to the other classes. There's clerics, who is next to invincible (with the right tactics and gear) one on one, but with such low damage uncharmed that it's hard to take down anyone. There's fighters, who are currently the tankers, DDers, and best PvPers (nerfnerfnerf~ TT__TT). There's archers, who have very little skills and have only recently begun to get partied since BR needs archers and AoE's can now be cast while running. Mages are juuusttt right. It's not that mages are underpowered, like you said, it's just that other classes are not in balance with mages. Mages are the only ones who are living up to their description on Fiesta's site. ;/ So, I don't think you have much to complain about.

And one more thing:

Originally Posted by FabledWaltz View Post

As for PvE? You can only rarely get a group. Relying on friends is a no-no. So for the most part, you're forced to solo with the above mentioned gear. Oh and no cash shop items. Again, tell me how you fare. Because if you can do better than I can, than I will never complain about Mages again.
> bold part 1
Wait what? ._.
I don't know about you, but half the reason I played fiesta for friends. I solo'd a lot on my archer because I wanted to, not because I was forced to. And as a 7x mage, I'm sure you would be able to get parties, since I could get into parties as a 7x archer with a 6x bow and no Piercing yet. ._.

tl; dr
Mages are the most balanced. There's nothing much to complain about, except for stones and fighters just kidding. xD)
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:26 PM   #4
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@Hraesvleg: Honestly, the idiocy of your statement makes me really wish I could just reach through my computer screen and slap you as hard as I possibly can. But, whatever. I think if anyone is a dick, it would be you. Resorting to insults just shows how immature you are.

@Everyone else: I'm tired of repeating myself so I'm done with it. You guys can believe whatever you want. If you want to live in your own little fantasy world and believe that everything is okay and balanced, than that is fine by me. Any who, can we get a Moderator to close this thread? I don't feel like having to come back here just to hear someone else whining about something I said.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:18 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by lvramire View Post
^You should see a Mage spell-stealing a Shield-Block buff xD
LOL or sacrifice. I love it when mages steal that off my cleric. They probably do need it (for their party) in a PvP though, LOL. (Though I wouldn't be laughing as much when it's my turn to go stealing sacrifices and shield blocks...)
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:21 AM   #6
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If you're in a corridor and you are being pursued, the person HAS to go through said corridor to reach you or waste time going around while you wait for your CDs. Cover it with a nova. It slows them down. Choose your fighting spots in a war wisely... believe it or not, even fighters have to deal with luck. We're not all rolling our faces on our keyboards... it's just that we have more room for error than mages. And mages have things we don't have. That's how it works.

Besides, pvp is not the only aspect in this game. Mages can't solo well, we know that. Likewise, fighters can't really AoE well (WW doesn't count, deva is nice but still not entirely spammable). And post-60 leveling mainly consists of AoE parties. Guess what? Means a lot of people calling for mages or clerics in places like TR. Fighters are less preferred in AoE parties because they can't AoE. Their tanking abilities go downhill after 60 (imho, the one rantworthy broken aspect of fighters) and consequently everybody is a DD. But we still can't DD mobs as well as mages can. We take less damage generally but if I'm duoing with a cleric and another group is duoing mage/cleric, assuming we're both pulling decent and equal-sized mobs, I can pretty much guarantee that mage will be done before I am. That's the way mages are.
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Old 04-01-2009, 07:20 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by FabledWaltz View Post
@Serendina: Um... no. What I want is for Mages to be fixed. Damage, stones, range and usefulness of certain spells. That isn't asking for much especially when things like this should not have to be fixed. Everything else is just things that I have pointed out that I find wrong. I'm not saying everything needs to be fixed. (Christ, I seem to have hit my repeat button.)

Um... I never said that either. Try rereading my post again. By the way, Ralath already used that. It seems you Archers are all the same.
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@Ivramire: Then you explain that to Outspark. Because Fighters are overpowered, Archers can kite and Clerics have survivability out the wazoo. Mages? Nothing that could help us solo. I was there when that supposedly happened yet I saw Archers in parties ALL the time. To be honest, I think it's just one big lie. Or a server thing, not sure which. There isn't much Mages have to acknowledge.
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Every MMORPG is a "party" oriented game hence the "Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game".
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You answered your own question. You suffer because it is a party-game, which means that it's not supposed to be easy to do things by yourself.
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