Octomom - Page 6

**Enraya** · 02-28-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

eh. she seems like a good mom. she loves her kids. she's just an idiot for having so many. i think they'll be loved, but she's being incredibly irresponsible.

If she really loved her kids, then she should've known better.
I'm "pro life" as well, but I think she should have gotten an abortion. It was a pretty selfish decision to "save" all of them. Even if people think she's doing a good deed, she really isn't. It's too hard, too stressful for one single mom with a wavering income to spread her love to all of the kids. What part of "saving" does having 14 kids, some of who probably will die because of lack of care/fragility, fit into?

And, if you were the mom, would you want to watch your babies grow up to be frail and distant from you? I wouldn't.
I would rather kill them in the womb than watch them grow up painfully.
Killing babies isn't exactly humane, but bringing them up even though you know they are going to suffer isn't humane either.

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By the way, I'm not saying she's irresponsible for having eight kids (o_o six fertilized.. she could have just let them die but it's nice she didn't?), I think she's irresponsible for trying for kids AFTER having SIX KIDS. That's... she needs to grow a brain. @_@

**Lirange** · 02-28-2009, 01:47 PM

Yes, i really think that what she did was really irresponsible. But once she had the child it think that its right to just keep it. Even if its irresponsible they deserve to live. They're life will be very hard but once their off on their own, they'll be happy.

Jikanu · 02-28-2009, 05:49 PM

there's an alternative. it's called "Adoption".

**Ralath** · 02-28-2009, 07:12 PM

The mom just had 6 fertilized in vitro embryos transplanted into her body in order to save them. If she claims that she had all these children because she wants to be a "mother," then I highly doubt that she wants to give it up for adoption. And if she does, then I highly doubt her motives.

No one should have a baby with the intent of giving it up for adoption.

Diydiva81 · 02-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Am I too late to get my opinion in...

I am angry at Nadya (I know everybody's calling her Octomom (even me), but come on...) for the sake of those kids and I mean all 14. They didn't ask to born (although she may have). I think she has obvious psychological issues and probably muddled with her common sense (what amount she may have? who knows).
I also thing part of the reason we were so focused (and angry) on her right now is the following: Single mom, unemployed, 6 prior kids, on welfare, living at home w/ parents, no dad in the picture for any of them, 3 (at least) have disabilites, and add the fact that she's living in California, and they're already have a massive debt to boot (and if the rumors about what she actually done with the welfare (read: plastic surgery to copy Angelina Jolie) can be trusted).

As for the topic of abortion: I'm Pro-Choice to an extent. I'm for the woman's own personal choice of having one or not. I'm also for at as provides the woman a legal (I'm not saying safe) option to end the pregnancy, if she chooses to do so. I however, wouldn't want one myself . I feel I'm too immature to have kids anyway.

**Hessah** · 02-28-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

a chance at life is worth it. besides, you're all not taking into account the people who are gonna donate a crapload of money to her, even though she doesnt really deserve it.

Well, I don't know whether she "deserves" the money or not, but I'm sure the kids will NEED the money.. I'm just worried about whether she'll use the money that's donated to her properly.. seeing that she spent her worker comp on this and plastic surgery =/

Originally Posted by Vasu

Meh, I think abortion is better than giving the baby a life of poverty and suffering.

I 2nd that too.

Jikanu · 02-28-2009, 08:41 PM

On the topic of quality of life, she could give the remaining embryos (i think there's still some left, not sure though) to a couple that acctually NEEDS the kids, who cant have them themself. and how do you know that the babies would WANT to die? many people have been born poor but rose to wealth. the baby can't speak for itself, so you can't assume it would want to die.

**Loveless** · 02-28-2009, 08:49 PM

I don't think anyone said that the baby wanted to die. But you cannot also assume that it would want to live in the life she is about to provide them either.

At the stage of being embryos it's neither alive nor dead... it's really just a cluster of cells or so I would think. And as you said, if she really wanted to save them she probably should have donated it to a couple who may not have been able to have a child for various reasons.

Sure there are those who were born poor and rose to wealth but you also have to take into consideration that perhaps their parents tried their best to give their child what they need. Someone who instead of spending money on plastic surgery put it towards their child's education in the future. At this point I fear that if she keeps up with what she is doing now that her children will only follow in her footsteps.

**Hessah** · 02-28-2009, 08:54 PM

So.. why should a baby that cant speak for themselves, speaks louder than an adult that CAN speak for themselves, and will have to burden the responsiblity of raising a kid, and the rest of the package that comes with hving a kid?

I don't think Abortion should be an easy option out for irresponsible people, but i just think i'd rather not see a kid suffer, than to see a kid that suffers... I mean if people need to consider about abortion, there has to be something there that's missing for a kid to grow up in a good envrionment right? Whether it's time, money, love, space...

but for her, it's not like she had an accident and need think about abortion, I believe that she simply didn't have to follow through with the IVF procedure and there'll be no life wasted / killed...

Jikanu · 02-28-2009, 09:12 PM

i agree whole-heartedly with the last thing you said, about never having the procedure. but, as for the suffering, once again there's always adoption. if she simply cant take care of the kids, she should put them up for adoption to give them a chance to find someone who can.

EDIT: i know that the people who are speaking for pro-choice arent out to kill babies. i just disagree with the ideas that a baby should be killed because it's a hassle to be a parent, or because they think the life would be miserable, because there's a lot of alternatives. plus, even a small chance at a good life is better than death.