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Old 02-28-2009, 05:10 AM   #1
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That's how you live life? Waiting/expecting for people to donate money to you?



But they are not utterly dependent upon the parent to GIVE them life and sustain them. After the child is born, he relies more upon the parent for financial support and physical support than anything else. Not so for the fetus.

At any rate, if your definition of when life begins is if the fetus has a beating heart, then that doesn't happen until approx. 5 weeks in.

*sigh* that's not what im saying. im just saying they're not going to the poorhouse anytime soon.

and even so, should we not take care of the smallest and weakest of being even MORE diligently than the strong ones? and no, my deffinition is the life of it. the fact that it's a human being. you can take the baby out and throw it in the trash... but that, to me, at least, seems wrong. im not going to speak for you.
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Old 02-28-2009, 05:34 AM   #2
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Well, I don't consider abortion murder because most abortions are done at about 12 weeks, and a baby doesn't start to develop brain activity til about 20+ weeks. Your brain is most essential to live. Don't got your brain, you can't exactly live.

But this isn't an abortion debate ^^;;

I just feel if those kids stay with her, they will not get the love and attention they need and deserve, and they could potentially have a crappy life.
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Old 02-28-2009, 05:49 AM   #3
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eh. she seems like a good mom. she loves her kids. she's just an idiot for having so many. i think they'll be loved, but she's being incredibly irresponsible.
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:47 AM   #4
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Precisely what Ralath said. The foetus needs the mother for survival, not the money of the mother, but after it's born is when it becomes "independent". As far as I'm concerned, infanticide is wrong, abortion is okay, IF the baby cannot be cared for. So I think this mother needs a boot up the boot.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:24 AM   #5
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eh. she seems like a good mom. she loves her kids. she's just an idiot for having so many. i think they'll be loved, but she's being incredibly irresponsible.
If she really loved her kids, then she should've known better.
I'm "pro life" as well, but I think she should have gotten an abortion. It was a pretty selfish decision to "save" all of them. Even if people think she's doing a good deed, she really isn't. It's too hard, too stressful for one single mom with a wavering income to spread her love to all of the kids. What part of "saving" does having 14 kids, some of who probably will die because of lack of care/fragility, fit into?

And, if you were the mom, would you want to watch your babies grow up to be frail and distant from you? I wouldn't.
I would rather kill them in the womb than watch them grow up painfully.
Killing babies isn't exactly humane, but bringing them up even though you know they are going to suffer isn't humane either.

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By the way, I'm not saying she's irresponsible for having eight kids (o_o six fertilized.. she could have just let them die but it's nice she didn't?), I think she's irresponsible for trying for kids AFTER having SIX KIDS. That's... she needs to grow a brain. @_@
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Old 02-28-2009, 01:47 PM   #6
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Yes, i really think that what she did was really irresponsible. But once she had the child it think that its right to just keep it. Even if its irresponsible they deserve to live. They're life will be very hard but once their off on their own, they'll be happy.
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there's an alternative. it's called "Adoption".
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The mom just had 6 fertilized in vitro embryos transplanted into her body in order to save them. If she claims that she had all these children because she wants to be a "mother," then I highly doubt that she wants to give it up for adoption. And if she does, then I highly doubt her motives.

No one should have a baby with the intent of giving it up for adoption.
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Am I too late to get my opinion in...

I am angry at Nadya (I know everybody's calling her Octomom (even me), but come on...) for the sake of those kids and I mean all 14. They didn't ask to born (although she may have). I think she has obvious psychological issues and probably muddled with her common sense (what amount she may have? who knows).
I also thing part of the reason we were so focused (and angry) on her right now is the following: Single mom, unemployed, 6 prior kids, on welfare, living at home w/ parents, no dad in the picture for any of them, 3 (at least) have disabilites, and add the fact that she's living in California, and they're already have a massive debt to boot (and if the rumors about what she actually done with the welfare (read: plastic surgery to copy Angelina Jolie) can be trusted).

As for the topic of abortion: I'm Pro-Choice to an extent. I'm for the woman's own personal choice of having one or not. I'm also for at as provides the woman a legal (I'm not saying safe) option to end the pregnancy, if she chooses to do so. I however, wouldn't want one myself . I feel I'm too immature to have kids anyway.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:41 PM   #10
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On the topic of quality of life, she could give the remaining embryos (i think there's still some left, not sure though) to a couple that acctually NEEDS the kids, who cant have them themself. and how do you know that the babies would WANT to die? many people have been born poor but rose to wealth. the baby can't speak for itself, so you can't assume it would want to die.
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