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Old 08-30-2008, 06:20 PM   #21
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I have noticed one trend in slimes kq though in apoline.... granted this is about after 10pm on the east coast. People are higher lvls who run the kq...about 10~16 and are working together much better than it use to be. I've noticed that most of the people are playing alts and understand the fact of team work helps alot

There was a point i beileve where i saw people from lvls 5-9 always screaming HEAL XD, and well, with parties being lvl 10-16 we didn't see much of that ^^
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:21 PM   #22
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i kno exactly what u mean blah, i was in the 30 bg's with my tank had FULL, i repeat FULL with all honesty FULL pt of clerics t3'd out.. wait...T3'd OUT! and still managed to die from a group of people ONLY attacking me, and even before that i was mostly stoning the WHOLE mob wen i was mobbin. new clerics are bawlz. i did make a frend outa one that i met a differ time in the bg, started off sukkin but now we pt all the time, i guess ure idea of experience is tru.
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:22 PM   #23
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I knew you'd jump at my comments smartass. I could not possibly have pulled 15 Orcs in Uruga. Where can I do that? All Triumph did was Trip, Bash, Rejuv, and run. Why didn't you max cooldown until after I ditched you? I had 3 Orcs and 2 Pinkies from the spawn next to the hill, and you ran because one of the Pinkies hit you... and you couldn't heal fast enough.

I play all 4 classes fyi. You've never seen my archer.

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*shrug*

At the time I never saw a need to max cooldown. The cooldown always barely made it, so I never bothered to waste a point. Similar to the 1:1 STR/END build debacle. Now that is something I regret.

However, we were on the path to the Gold Mine in Uruga. If I overstate, you certainly understate: There are considerably more than 3 Orcs and 2 Pinkies.

Though I agree that I couldn't heal fast enough. In retrospect, it was foolish, but you learn from experience, no? Not like I was the heal-slave caliber anyways, I spent all my time solo-ing. 3 seconds was fine for solo.

A smartass always, however.

Prior to the movement of all the mobs, there were eight Orcs and two Pinkies by the mine entrance, so it was altogether possible to lure 15.

Now, I go back to trying to beat expert on Condition Zero.
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:38 PM   #24
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I noticed it too. I've recently gone back to playing a Cleric... and just like you I am horrified by the Clerics in the KQs. And thus while I had been on my main my expectations of the Clerics have lowered considerably. If I see my HP going down I don't even bother waiting for them to Heal me cause the next hit could possibly be my death. Often times my HP stone and Heal goes off at the same time but it's a habit necessary when mobbing or taking on bosses nowadays.

And it is sad that this happens in my 70s. Usually you have one tank with the rest hitting from behind the boss. I hope that Fiesta implements the "tactical" side to this game where you do more damage hitting the mobs from behind... then that'd put some brains back into those idiot Fighters that hit Marlone on all four sides.

On a side note I feel that keeping a party is a LOT easier than before. You can cast Heal and run for goodness sake. And... you can empower your Heal! What more can you ask for? Okay, brains in some of those other people -__-
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The term "noob" can actually be used in all seriousness. The healers KNOW they suck, but are too self-righteous to ADMIT it, so they make everyone else SUFFER due to their OWN INEPTITUDE.
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:13 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Triumph View Post

A smartass always, however.

Prior to the movement of all the mobs, there were eight Orcs and two Pinkies by the mine entrance, so it was altogether possible to lure 15.
There were:
- one cluster of 4 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, right by the entrance to Golden Cave
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and 1 Pinky, to the left on the way to the entrance
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, on the right even further away from the entrance
- one cluster of 4 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, on the left side of the path at the same position as above
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and one cluster of 2 Pinkies by the entrance to Uruga

Show me how you can run through what is essentially every Orc along that path, which is about one and half times the normal follow distance of Orcs, without any of them dropping out, using a level 50 mage. Show me also how a cleric in his late level 40s can survive the Pinkies until the Orcs make up 15. Smartass. Your claims are unfounded.

Just admit it, you were a bad cleric who couldn't heal well. I wasn't the only one who complained about being left (almost) dead.

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On a side note I feel that keeping a party is a LOT easier than before. You can cast Heal and run for goodness sake. And... you can empower your Heal! What more can you ask for? Okay, brains in some of those other people -__-
Yay! May those who don't empower Heal be scorned.
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Originally Posted by Icy View Post
There were:
- one cluster of 4 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, right by the entrance to Golden Cave
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and 1 Pinky, to the left on the way to the entrance
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, on the right even further away from the entrance
- one cluster of 4 Orcs and 2 Pinkies, on the left side of the path at the same position as above
- one cluster of 3 Orcs and one cluster of 2 Pinkies by the entrance to Uruga

Show me how you can run through what is essentially every Orc along that path, which is about one and half times the normal follow distance of Orcs, without any of them dropping out, using a level 50 mage. Show me also how a cleric in his late level 40s can survive the Pinkies until the Orcs make up 15. Smartass. Your claims are unfounded.

Just admit it, you were a bad cleric who couldn't heal well. I wasn't the only one who complained about being left (almost) dead.




Yay! May those who don't empower Heal be scorned.
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The term "noob" can actually be used in all seriousness. The healers KNOW they suck, but are too self-righteous to ADMIT it, so they make everyone else SUFFER due to their OWN INEPTITUDE.


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Old 08-30-2008, 07:22 PM   #28
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I think what you said up there makes sense. The clerics that have played Fiesta before the higher-exp-thing know how to heal, and try to contribute in helping/healing/supporting others in parties, or even to any strangers that are in need of healing. But the new ones, they don't just sit and mind their own business only, but also have no manners. They don't know how to thank when buffed, they don't know how to appreciate (or at least look as if he/she is appreciating) the heals from other clerics when they're in danger, etc.

I believe it's not only the clerics though, it's also some fighters I've been around. But clerics, since they are quite important when it comes to keeping his/her party alive, cause the most problems I guess.
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Just admit it, you were a bad cleric who couldn't heal well. I wasn't the only one who complained about being left (almost) dead.

Yay! May those who don't empower Heal be scorned.
You are the one with the demographics, not I. So I won't dispute you on that.

Bad cleric, no. Poor cleric, yes. Try it some time, it's foolish for any cleric not to empower Heal, but until you try it with 3 second cooldown do not go making unfounded claims of your own. I'll admit I struggled to heal adequately in time, yes. But did I sit around not healing? No. The effort was made, despite the lack of yield.

Like I said, keep in mind I was bent on solo grind. A lot of points went into Bash power and SP consumption. That is inadequate for supporting.

Also, I mentioned that I overstate. Always. 15 is an overstatement, clearly.

As for the last statement: Indeed.

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I admitted to Icy long ago that I was a poor cleric. Also:

Originally Posted by Triumph View Post
*shrug*

At the time I never saw a need to max cooldown. The cooldown always barely made it, so I never bothered to waste a point. Similar to the 1:1 STR/END build debacle. Now that is something I regret.

Though I agree that I couldn't heal fast enough. In retrospect, it was foolish, but you learn from experience, no? Not like I was the heal-slave caliber anyways, I spent all my time solo-ing. 3 seconds was fine for solo.
Read.

I admitted to both foolishness and inadequacy.

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