What exactly constitutes kill stealing? - Page 2

**Ralath** · 06-20-2008, 01:48 PM

IMO

Originally Posted by ThievingSix

Let us list some of those shall we?

Someone is killing a mob and another one starts attacking that person. You attack the one that hasn't been damaged.

I don't unless that person asks for help. You never know how people react and why bother risking getting someone upset.

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You have been killing in a spot for quite a while in a certain spot. Suddenly a person takes all the mobs and proceeds to do an AOE party right next to you. You pull one of the mobs not yet damaged and kill it.

KS. Not a big deal for me if someone were to do it though.

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A non-aoe class(I.E. Cleric) pulls two or more of a mob when there is many around. You take the one not being damaged.

If they pull it, it's theirs.

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A non-aoe class(I.E. Cleric) pulls two or more of a mob when there is not many around. You take the one not being damaged.

Still theirs.

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Someone calls a certain mob that spawns rarely. You get to it first. Did you KS?

No.

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Someone has declared a "spot" in which every mob is his. You attack one of the mobs he isn't attacking.

No.

My least favorite situation is when two people attack the monster at the same time. It happens more often on my Archer than it does on my Cleric but I did it yesterday on my Cleric too and the other person accused me of KSing even though we attacked it at the same time. -.-

In that scenario, I say both people can keep attacking and neither would be KSing and whoever gets the drops, gets the drops.

**ThievingSix** · 06-20-2008, 02:18 PM

As per the cleric pulls, I worded it in a way I didn't mean to an extent. If they didn't pull on purpose, is how it should have been said.

**Lady-Loki** · 06-20-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by ThievingSix

As per the cleric pulls, I worded it in a way I didn't mean to an extent. If they didn't pull on purpose, is how it should have been said.

Yeah, I was gonna say the whole discussion is vague based on the OP since the use of "pull" could be considered pulling mobs with the intent to kill or pulling aggro because the mob spawned close to where you are. And many times pulling aggro was unintentional.

As a rule I do not attack mobs someone is pulling to kill but if I see a spawn and attack, but at the same moment the mob targets a nearby <insert any class>, I do not consider that to be KS'ing, but I have had one or two people jump and holler Don't KS! I usually think to myself kiss my ass, it wasn't yours. And I have been on my cleric and a spawn has targeted me while I had another mob engaged and I was glad someone pulled it off me.

As for the rights to the drop - not sure. I thought at a time it was most damage, then I thought first hit and at another time I thought kill shot.

**ThievingSix** · 06-20-2008, 02:45 PM

it is very vague! That is the exact reason I wanted more of peoples opinions on the Title of this thread.

Carmasa · 06-20-2008, 09:34 PM

Obviously, you'v been in an encounter with the main character of Bleach.
*Hint hint.*

I totally agree. And if they piss me off, then I'll KS them right back.

**viasta** · 06-20-2008, 05:11 PM

In my opinion, KS is when you are attacking a mob and another person outside of your party comes and kills it while you are attacking/aoeing. Doesn't matter if he saw it first, he selected it first, it was in his spot, or it was attacking him. If you hit it first, it's your kill, someone comes to kill it while you are attacking, it's a KS.

Eru · 06-20-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by viasta

In my opinion, KS is when you are attacking a mob and another person outside of your party comes and kills it while you are attacking/aoeing. Doesn't matter if he saw it first, he selected it first, it was in his spot, or it was attacking him. If you hit it first, it's your kill, someone comes to kill it while you are attacking, it's a KS.

so its hit-based? not aggro-based?

Eru · 06-20-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by bloodrops

I think he was just talking about the other person attacking your mob is KSing no matter the other person saw that mob and decided to kill it, not aggrevating it etc...

whoa! tripple post! check out the [edit] button or the [quote+] option on the bottom of the posts bud

anyhow, I'm still curious myself if most ppl consider it a KS if you kill something that someone else has aggro from, or if a more "purest" view is its only KSing if you *hit* the same monster while not in a pty.

The way I see it, other than potential rudeness, you arent really harming anyone if you simply attack a monster that is aggroed on someone else that they have not hit yet. To me it becomes "stealing" when you hit the monster they have hit coz that reduces the exp for them.

Otherwise, what are you really "stealing"...aggro? That seems silly as its sorta part of the game.

**Hraesvelg** · 06-20-2008, 07:15 PM

My general rule of thumb is...don't interfere unless asked.

If I happen to have a few monsters around me attacking me, I'm taking damage from them. I'm investing pots/stones into repairing that damage. If someone comes along and takes one of the "extra" ones attacking me, I've lost that investment of stones/pots by way of losing the return, the EXP/drops. If I have aggro, they're mine. Get your own.

Eru · 06-20-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

My general rule of thumb is...don't interfere unless asked.

If I happen to have a few monsters around me attacking me, I'm taking damage from them. I'm investing pots/stones into repairing that damage. If someone comes along and takes one of the "extra" ones attacking me, I've lost that investment of stones/pots by way of losing the return, the EXP/drops. If I have aggro, they're mine. Get your own.

good point!

This is the best argument I've hard for the aggro-based KSing!