Reasons why Fiesta is going down the drain....and fast

[Spirit]

Nope, it's fine where it's at. Unless you actually want it in a new thread and I can do that for you. I sent you a PM. We can discuss it through there so as not to tie up this thread with that part of it. But, you brought up some very good points. Not, saying I agree with all of them. But, it looks like you actually put a lot of thought and time into your response. Very well written and thought-out. I am eager to see what some of our die-hard spam-bot boycotters have to say.

[AngellicDiety]

All I have to say is whilst the rational behind cash shop items paying for the running of the service, there are ways to drastically reduce the affect of cash shop items.

A "Bonus" is favorable for a cash shop user. I dont mind the fact that they can level faster with their [+9] equipment, weaponary, experience cards, blessing of teva, and of course extended hp/sp buff.

However, what I disagree with, is being denied the ability to participate in events simply because I dont purchase things from the cash shop.

Dont get me wrong, I have more than enough money to be able to buy everything I want in the cash shop. If I wanted to I could [+9] all my armour. I could buy the 1 month exp card, and blessing of teva, as well as the hp/sp buff for as long as I play. I could buy myself a nice critical-rate increasing costume. I could even buy myself a nice little raccoon. I could literally spend a hundred dollars each month on this game if I really wanted to.

Although your reasoning is perfectly valid, it promotes outsparks actions. Outspark, although doing their best, is still not producing satisfactory results. If they tested their patches before they released them, then I'd be more than willing to begin buying cash shop items again. However, with this freezing issue I have with XTrap, and the fact that it took them 4 weeks to resolve the fighter-skill animation bug, I'm reluctant to ever support them again.

Please, dont come posting that its not outsparks fault they put out a fault patch. If they even remotely took the time to test it they would've seen something wrong...

Outsparks service is nothing like Blizzards. Blizzard - makers of World of Warcraft, at least take the time to address your problem as quickly as possible. Blizzard works under the assumption that your problem genuinely exists, and try's their best to resolve it with you.

I email outspark about my XTrap issue - response I get from a customer service was basically "We dont seem to have anything wrong on our end." Basically they say, shut up and screw off.

I refuse to give them money to support their game. With the attitude that they have given (minus some of the GM's since they seem to be the only ones who try to actually help me), I'd rather that outspark goes broke.

It's a little harsh, yes, but if outspark was anything like Blizzard, then I would be more inclined to support them in any way or fashion.


Also, if you really want proof why outspark customer service is complete bullshit (sorry for the profanity): it is the fact that they dont even ask for a complete set of information. One thing commonly asked for by any other customer support from a game I've played is the "Dxdiag.log" containing all the information they need about my computer, specifications, drivers, etc.

[Hessah]

@Miles - If only Outspark can sit back and look at the whole picture like you!!! They might actually improve dramatically... (esp with ur bots point)...

Cant say i completely agree with ur inflation scenario... gold sellers have bots that continually grind and farm and they're machines that is constantly getting kills, drops, and money.... and they build up a bank that they advertise and sell off to players...

As you said, inflation occurs when ppl get money from quest and NPCing drops... Gold sellers are increasing the number of gold floating around on the market... of coz, it doesnt contribute to the inflation until someone buys it from them... but the gold sellers are potentially there with the gold to increase inflation... there wont be that risk if they didnt exist...

And i have heard about ppl buying gold from them so it does happen!!!

But i have the same view as u regarding Point 4~

However, what I disagree with, is being denied the ability to participate in events simply because I dont purchase things from the cash shop.

Well... I look at it as an extra opportunity for those who use cash shop to get something extra from the game... the clover event isnt the only event quest implemented... there's also the apple cider quest for non-cash shop players for a chance to get a cash shop item....

Like Miles said, what's wrong with rewarding ppl that's keeping the game running? I dont think Outspark is doing too bad in that aspect, there's been a few event quest now (and achievement quest) where non-cash shop players have a chance to get cash shop items too... (provided that the quest works LOL!! but that's a different matter)


Yeah i cant say much about the patching issue... i guess they're getting better at compensating us... (exp event after server down, rolling back our cash shop items etc) but yeah they should start looking at testing the patch... rather than waiting till it stuffs up and compensating us... prevention is better than treatment... but... i'm not too fussed....

[Loveless]

I think that in terms of in-game events and such... it should be available to all players regardless of cash shop or not. Otherwise it'll seem like you're forcing people to buy these cash items, indirectly. :/

And whether the bots/gold sellers help with inflation or whatever... they're still a nuisance to the community. It's been months since the Cash Shop opened, I'd expect something more than many bugged quests and server crashing. They have more than enough to get a better server from all these people buying cash items as well as for devs to fix the game.

[Hessah]

But no one is forced by buy CS items... although they're heavily encouraged... but that's with anything... everyone is trying to encourage you to buy their service instead of using the free version....

[Ralath]

@Miles--I'm going to have to agree with Hessah on this one.

I think the inflation hypothesis you described works under the assumption that the gold spammers are taking gold from someone else (that is, they are taking it out of circulation). But they are not. They are taking it directly from the game which is continually producing drops (which NPC into money) and quest prizes.

So now the amount of coppers/silvers/gold running out there is being produced two fold--by the players who are completing quests and getting drops and selling them, and by the bots who are farming away and selling those drops for money.

[Spirit]

Okay, did I miss something? Where did the faulty patches come into play? I reread Miles post and don't see anywhere in there about not blaming Outspark for patches having bugs????

[Hessah]

Okay, did I miss something? Where did the faulty patches come into play? I reread Miles post and don't see anywhere in there about not blaming Outspark for patches having bugs????

oh yeah... maybe that's wat Angellic thought Miles was implying? i was responding to Angellic's bold line... not Mile's post about Patchy bugs...

[MaxOff]

@Miles--I'm going to have to agree with Hessah on this one.

I think the inflation hypothesis you described works under the assumption that the gold spammers are taking gold from someone else (that is, they are taking it out of circulation). But they are not. They are taking it directly from the game which is continually producing drops (which NPC into money) and quest prizes.

So now the amount of coppers/silvers/gold running out there is being produced two fold--by the players who are completing quests and getting drops and selling them, and by the bots who are farming away and selling those drops for money.

when gold is taking from the market its called deflation. If more gold flows into the market, without being backed with items of equal worth, its called inflation. MMORPG's are bound to inflate, some faster, some slower.

Basicly inflation means that prices go up, deflation means prices go down. And i think the gold seller make there money with bots, and enchantment services.
So Outspark would be indirectly profiting from the gold sellers.

@Miles_Glorioso: i just read your post, and i agree to nearly everything u say, but 1 point.
I dont see gold sellers as a blessing. The do increase the rate of money being created. Yes they also keep large amounts from the market too. But the money they keep from the market flows in large portions in the low lvl market.

Unlinke the high lvl market the low lvl market is not very tolerant to more gold. A lvl 20 is rich when he as 10s. So a player that buys 1g, gets in an instant 100times more then that he had before. With that his tolerance to high/extreme prices increases too. Because of that the prices of enchanted and rare item will explode.

In the end people who are rich, from the game designer perspective, will feel poor, and start farming money. And thus are starting a inflation spiral, that will spin faster and faster and faster. Until only people who paying for the game in one way or another can afford good items.

[Phibrizzo]

omfg I agree with a lot of stuff here and there xD

let's see...

concerning the game itself, yes it is prone to get utterly boring at higher levels because of the excessive amount of experience needed to level comparing to the increase in the experience you make, and it doesn't get any better by making almost all game features around it.

as for the econ, just gonna point out something that's been partially missing :P
by no means bots keep money from the market. yes, they hold large sums of money and don't spend it(until they sell it to someone), but it's an amount of money that was not going to be produced if the bots weren't there, thus it's purely added to the econ without any impact on the money produced by legit players. and it's not much use saying a player could be making money from monsters the bots kill because low level maps can support players and bots together without problems .-.