Weapons and block

[Pedobear]

i think a good idea would be give all non shield weapons a 0% block rate, but adding end adds to block rate regardless.

that way, non shield classes can still block occasionally, but because a fighter gets a shield and toughness, he will still block much more often and will still be a much more capable meat shield.

[Lyoven]

great idea, Pedobear, i like it
(my fighter has not a single end point added - meh)

[MagesRequiem]

i think a good idea would be give all non shield weapons a 0% block rate, but adding end adds to block rate regardless.

that way, non shield classes can still block occasionally, but because a fighter gets a shield and toughness, he will still block much more often and will still be a much more capable meat shield.

Thats nice and all but what about people who don't put points into END? That right there would leave out about 99.9% of every Mage in the game.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Thats nice and all but what about people who don't put points into END? That right there would leave out about 99.9% of every Mage in the game.

Well the point that Dyna was trying to say is so that people who do add END will not be adding it for nothing if their weapons have a shield block, but if you don't add END, then that shield block on your weapon would be useless anyway because it's so small.

People who don't add END shouldn't get more block rate - they chose another stat over the defense stat. I don't see the problem with that.

[MagesRequiem]

Well the point that Dyna was trying to say is so that people who do add END will not be adding it for nothing if their weapons have a shield block, but if you don't add END, then that shield block on your weapon would be useless anyway because it's so small.

People who don't add END shouldn't get more block rate - they chose another stat over the defense stat. I don't see the problem with that.

Thats because you're a Cleric. =_=

Wait... so am I. Anyways, I really still don't think that would be fair to Mages. After all, they are weak and brittle and snap like a twig when hit with something heavier than them... like a Feather.

[Blaaaaaaaah]

Thats because you're a Cleric. =_=

Wait... so am I. Anyways, I really still don't think that would be fair to Mages. After all, they are weak and brittle and snap like a twig when hit with something heavier than them... like a Feather.

I'm a cleric, but that has no relevance to this thread? D:

The same would also apply to the clerics - if I don't add END, then I don't see why I should have extra block rate since I didn't choose to use a defense stat?

[MagesRequiem]

I'm a cleric, but that has no relevance to this thread? D:

The same would also apply to the clerics - if I don't add END, then I don't see why I should have extra block rate since I didn't choose to use a defense stat?

You question yourself... >_>

What Cleric would not add END? Thats like having a Fighter add INT. It doesn't make sense and its pointless. There wouldn't be that much that would be added to the weapons. Why not just add it to Mage/Archer weapons then? Or have it higher on a certain classes weapon than another classes weapon?

[Blaaaaaaaah]

You question yourself... >_>

What Cleric would not add END? Thats like having a Fighter add INT. It doesn't make sense and its pointless. There wouldn't be that much that would be added to the weapons. Why not just add it to Mage/Archer weapons then? Or have it higher on a certain classes weapon than another classes weapon?

I wasn't questioning myself, I was asking you the question. Anyway, either you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you.

I wasn't talking about whether a cleric should have END or not. (Too lazy to go back and quote properly...)

i think a good idea would be give all non shield weapons a 0% block rate, but adding end adds to block rate regardless.

that way, non shield classes can still block occasionally, but because a fighter gets a shield and toughness, he will still block much more often and will still be a much more capable meat shield.

Thats nice and all but what about people who don't put points into END? That right there would leave out about 99.9% of every Mage in the game."

From what you said - you reckon that the weapon should have block rate instead of the END stat because if people don't add END (like mages) still get some block rate, right? Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong - ignore what I'm going to say. If I'm right - read on.

What I was trying to say when I quoted this was that if someone doesn't add END to their character, then they shouldn't have any extra block rate regardless of what class they are. Even if the weapons do have block rate, I'm assuming that the block rate of a mage's weapon would be fairly low anyway - making no significant difference... so, I don't understand how that will really affect the block rate when it's so small.

Hm, well I'm starting to confuse myself now. >__>"

[Pedobear]

Thats nice and all but what about people who don't put points into END? That right there would leave out about 99.9% of every Mage in the game.

that also leaves out every spr or str build 2h fighters and all dex build archers, your point?

why should you get block rate for free? you're not a shield wielding class and you're not meant to tank. That's like stating that everyone should get free evasion even though they have low dex just cuz archers get it.

honestly, not to toot my own horn or anything, but i think its a great idea. It gives everyone every facet of end, making it a bit more viable a stat for mages and archers, but it doesn't put you on the same plane defensively as a 1h fighter or a cleric (and it shouldn't)

your only argument is mages, and that's only mages that are already made with stat points allocated. all new players with their mages would see the benefits of this change. and hey, guess what, you aren't the first to get shafted. ask some CB clerics how useful those empowers were on invincibility pre and post nerf.

[MagesRequiem]

that also leaves out every spr or str build 2h fighters and all dex build archers, your point?

why should you get block rate for free? you're not a shield wielding class and you're not meant to tank. That's like stating that everyone should get free evasion even though they have low dex just cuz archers get it.

honestly, not to toot my own horn or anything, but i think its a great idea. It gives everyone every facet of end, making it a bit more viable a stat for mages and archers, but it doesn't put you on the same plane defensively as a 1h fighter or a cleric (and it shouldn't)

your only argument is mages, and that's only mages that are already made with stat points allocated. all new players with their mages would see the benefits of this change. and hey, guess what, you aren't the first to get shafted. ask some CB clerics how useful those empowers were on invincibility pre and post nerf.

The sad thing is, is that i'm a Cleric. Yeah, I made the switch to help out others rather than just myself. Anyways, whats wrong with some other class having like a 1% of getting a block? Would that REALLY throw the game off balance? I don't think so. But it would help every so often especially if it happens to be a killing blow. Mages are not tanks nor are Archers, we all know that. In fact, Clerics aren't tanks either but they can, can they not? I know the Clerics got shafted. But technically... that ain't being shafted. They're still tough as hell. Anyways, why should a Mage or any other class be forced to place points into END just to benefit from some small blockage bonus? It just isn't fair and it'll cause them to suffer in other areas. Such as damage dealing, evasion, etc.