Gameplay balance discussion

[rokaraged]

isn't 50% too consistent for a skill that has only a 20 second cool down 15 if its trained? The ability has the ability to stun ANYONE..would u really want a lvl 20 fighter's stun being he reason why you lost a fight? just imagine 10 fighters stun locking..

This is just IMO really...

[AndyB]

Teq and Niion are right about fighter's being expensive, especially when soloing. We no longer have the repeatable quest's that used to at least help pay for stones. At 106 copper per an hp stone with a maximum of 74 hp stones, a trip in later lvl's will cost you money half the time, with a slight chance of profit if you get lucky and find some silver lumps. This is especially true when considering the fact that fighters burn through sp stones as well.

On stun - it's not guaranteed to work, the only thing it's really useful for in pvp is stunning archers or mages so you don't have to chase them down. Why waste skill points on empowering the duration of stun when damage or sp reduction can be empowered on other skill's.

Pvp - Cleric(lvl 47) vs Fighter(lvl 48) - Stalemate, Teq and I tested this when the battle zone 1st came out. We agreed to stop after 5 minutes when both of us had hardly used any stones.

Mages - they're the best class for soloing at 40+ imo, sure they have low def but their kill speed is fantastic, they're probably about as expensive to lvl as fighters. I'll add that the lvl 45-50 solo arena event was won by a mage with a staff that wasn't even enhanced to +3.

[+Tequila+]

isn't 50% too consistent for a skill that has only a 20 second cool down 15 if its trained? The ability has the ability to stun ANYONE..would u really want a lvl 20 fighter's stun being he reason why you lost a fight? just imagine 10 fighters stun locking..

This is just IMO really...

Stun last 8 secs its no big deal unless you have tons of people spikin one target lol . A cleric can tank two people while gettin stunned. a lvl 20 fighter wont be able to land stun on me. He doesnt have the aim to do it

Teq and Niion are right about fighter's being expensive, especially when soloing. We no longer have the repeatable quest's that used to at least help pay for stones. At 106 copper per an hp stone with a maximum of 74 hp stones, a trip in later lvl's will cost you money half the time, with a slight chance of profit if you get lucky and find some silver lumps. This is especially true when considering the fact that fighters burn through sp stones as well.

On stun - it's not guaranteed to work, the only thing it's really useful for in pvp is stunning archers or mages so you don't have to chase them down. Why waste skill points on empowering the duration of stun when damage or sp reduction can be empowered on other skill's.

Pvp - Cleric(lvl 47) vs Fighter(lvl 48) - Stalemate, Teq and I tested this when the battle zone 1st came out. We agreed to stop after 5 minutes when both of us had hardly used any stones.

Mages - they're the best class for soloing at 40+ imo, sure they have low def but their kill speed is fantastic, they're probably about as expensive to lvl as fighters. I'll add that the lvl 45-50 solo arena event was won by a mage with a staff that wasn't even enhanced to +3.

lol that was hilarious one shotted Lune right after that fight xD x_X...dude mages own literally people think they suck because of pvp...but they dont suck in that area either we killed the gms yesterday about 8-12 times due to Fire and Lune nuking and purging. o.0 my stones are only 63 copper each .

[Lyoven]

i have no idea how much SP a high level fighter has, but if the cheap Tier1-2 SP potions can cover at least a part of it, i would make like a ton of those and forget about SP stones, if possible

as for stun: stun the cleric, kill the others. could work =)

[+Tequila+]

Lyoven like we said stun on last for 8 secs and it doesnt land all the time. And buying scrolls only increases the cost of soloing...So like me Andy and Nion said soloing with fighters is expensive.

[Lyoven]

(i didnt meant, stun the cleric once and then wipe out the whole town in 8 seconds. thought thats kinda obvious. and i wasnt even mentioning scrolls)

anyhow, i didnt meant to disagree with You, since im no fighter at all, nor do my SP stones costs anywhere close to 70c yet
all i've tried to say was, maybe the costs can be cut down a little bit by using cheap sp pots more.

[Fireriot]

Mages - they're the best class for soloing at 40+ imo, sure they have low def but their kill speed is fantastic, they're probably about as expensive to lvl as fighters.

Mage's HP stones are cheaper than fighter, however I get 1.5~2x more damage per hit.
We have ranged attack but fighters have stun, bone slicer or other defensive skills.
So, HP stone cost is same or a little higher than fighters.

I'll add that the lvl 45-50 solo arena event was won by a mage with a staff that wasn't even enhanced to +3.

Your weapon level was 40, but my weapon was 50. It's a big different.
Please don't forget it ;D

[+Tequila+]

Your weapon level was 40, but my weapon was 50. It's a big different.
Please don't forget it ;D

His weapon was +6 though so not much dmg difference

[rokaraged]

There is a signifcant aim difference...if that really means anything

[+Tequila+]

Andy was most likely uses scroll either way so the difference still was'nt much lol